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Worst devices you have used EMF wise?

Romana
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What are the worst devices you have used EMF wise that caused you the most sickdom, pain,..etc.?
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SuperLaura
Probably having a wifi router in my bedroom. Also just living in a city apt in general.
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Plop Plop
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Just look at the wattage of any item. That will give you how much radiation they give out. The only differences is frequencies. Pulsed wave modulation and sparking will give lots of AM.  MW devices will give you MWs. They will all screw with you biology and they only cure is distance.  Whether you can sense them is individual. Whether you can develop the sense to move away is personal. This is called cognitive dissonance. Some people will just keep looking for a magic charm to take away the thoughts that recognise something is wrong. Watts need to be avoided. Save the planet and your health at the same time.
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Marc Martin
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Personally, I don't think the watts have much (if anything) to do with reactions.

I've reacted severely to a low-wattage Kindle e-reader (B&W), while I don't react at all to a high-wattage hair dryer.

Frequencies (and probably waveforms) are everything for me.  

As for worse devices, any category of device can be good or bad.  I've had nasty reactions computers, e-readers, laptops, cellphones, Blu-ray players, computer monitors, portable music players, digital audio recorders, digital cameras, computer mice, etc., etc.

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Plop Plop
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There is a non linear relationship between frequency and wattage and bio perception and effect. Agreed.  There is not between wattage and energy hitting your body.  What you spot or react to is only a small response to what you are experiencing. Every thing that is not light is unnatural.  If you are not evolved to live in it, it carries severe biological risk.  Try going in Gama radiation. You wont feel any thing till its too late. EMR is the same. If you are lucky you will get EHS and have a small sense of the danger. If not you will plod on in ignorance until you fuck your self up totally like half the population do now and get cancer or 25% who get auto immune diseases.  Watts, that are not light, act as a measure of the energy that is adding to your bio voltages.  None are good as none are designed for.  This is fact. Cognitive dissonance is not recognising this.
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Plop Plop
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When radio waves of any frequency hit us they short out through us because we are conductive. This causes current. Current is measure in WATTS. Watts have two components, voltage and amps. Volts is the wave length.  This is why your meter measures them and them multiplies them to make WATTS.  We think it is only wifi or microwaves we react to but that is silly cos any shorting RF will have a charge effect.  Our biology developed in non penetrating light and UV. Our biology evolved to survive this. Other frequencies are totally alien to our evolutionary experience and hence it would be total luck if we had any protection. Watts and distance define this induced current.  Read "Healing is Voltage" to best understand the disruptive effect of induced voltage charge on biological functioning.  MWs are penetrating, massively more than light. Lower radio frequencies will go right though you shorting all the time as they pass.  You are very conductive.  You can short out this process by wearing conductive materials. They work. Or most obviously lower your exposure. Volts don't necessarily matter but Watts do. Many people think they are only sensitive to certain frequencies. It is not the frequency but rather the induced wattage that is the cause of their problem.  
     All this is ignoring the mimetic effect of apparent signaling  but that is another subject. And the resonance effects. Read the above book for that.
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Plop Plop
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 " I've had nasty reactions computers, e-readers, laptops, cellphones, Blu-ray players, computer monitors, portable music players, digital audio recorders, digital cameras, computer mice, etc., etc. "

You were not evolved to be exposed to any of these. Your personal sensory reaction is determined by your previous exposure to the fields they generate.  Your immune system, biological defense feedback system is learning to do something it was never designed to do.  It does this in a way that is very approximative. You have a gift that it can warn you all all. Most people do not. They just wade through the radiation with no warning at all. Then get very seriously ill. We have no instinctive sensory defense against these new poisons.

"While I don't react at all to a high-wattage hair dryer."   A hair drier produces heat. We evolved in heat. We are resistant to its effects.  Hair driers are extremely bad for EMR. look it up. They are even regulated. Old ladies doing the perm thing are at very high risk.  Just cos you don't sense something does not mean it does not have  very high risk. You are expecting an instinctive evolutionary sensory defense system to work in a totally new set of environmental conditions radiations and risks. It was not designed to do this.

People think their feelings are valid at assessing the risks of exposure to new RF and EMR is what has let this horrible polluted mess happen.  They are not. It is total luck if they work at all.  You are lucky to have EHS as it can, if you are not too stupid to react appropriately, protect you by steering you away from dangers.
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Jinna
Hey Plop, I start to like you!!

It does make sense,what you said about feeling or not feeling!

 Like X rays, we feel barely anything (most people at least),but it causes one of the worst types of damage to the body's DNA!!

Low wattage and high voltage: I have the device called Violet Ray, with argon electrodes, said to have been invented by Tesla with the help of Darsonval.

I LOVE this device. It makes me feel so relaxed. It gives me energy,long term.

I guess, most of us here in the forum are here because we sense something is going wrong with out bodies.

We have physical symptoms like headache, dizziness, bad digestion, insonmia, feeling dull, tired, exhausted, etc

That is what made us come here. People who feel nothing do not know.
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So for the lady who is asking: for me, the TIME of exposure is also important.

If I enter the train, ride it for 10 minutes, I barely notice the effects. Same with new cars, full of eletronics.

A 10 minute ride is not enough for me to cause many visible effects.

The more I stay put in a place, that emits the same damaging frequencies on and on, without pause, THAT is what counts mostly.

Sleeping in a polluted bedroom feels like death.

Working for hours in a polluted environment is another threat.

Then staying long in your living room, kitchen, or whole house full of electrosmog from smartmeters, wifi from neighbors, cell phono towers, all emitting SAME frequencies, non stop, well, that is harmful.

Have you noticed that if you move around the whole day, even in a polluted city, you may feel better than staying put in one place the whole day?

I think for me, the time of exposure of the SAME damaging frequencies counts a lot.

If you get a varied information of damaging frequencies is somehow better than a single one (I mean, that is just a sensitive evaluation, not the damage evaluation).


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Plop Plop
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You need to read and understand the biology of evolution.  Just cos you don't sense something does not mean it is not happening. As I said in terms of evolution it is total luck that you can sense any thing at all. Most people cannot.

For example the human body absorbs most the greatest amount of energy around the 100 MHz, in the range of FM radio and TV broadcasts.  Longer wave lengths do not short out fully. Shorter ones short but are more localised.

Your "feeling" something is not  a good indicator of risk or effect. It is merely a chance residue for another part of your immune systems feedback mechanism. IE it was not designed to do what it is doing.  Some of what it is doing/messages may not be appropriate at all.  Objective appraisal of the science is a better way to appraise the problem than how you feel. Not least because of the considerable cognitive dissonance experienced by most people. My only advice again is to lower exposure. Not to rationalise it badly. That or find the facts. It will be nearly impossible to do this though as science is way behind in understanding the effects of this exposure.

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Plop Plop
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UV is pretty nasty stuff. Ionizing radiation.  Again you have innate protection from something never experienced in our evolutionary experience.  Very risky.  Can you feel boiling water as hot. NO. Try it. You wont feel it till its too late and has done damage. While you are heating up it will feel lovely and warm.  Its the old frog tail. Scald him slowly and he will feel nothing.

"We have physical symptoms like headache, dizziness, bad digestion, insonmia, feeling dull, tired, exhausted, etc"

I get none of these but can hear radio (tinnitus)  waves and see MWs ( silvering). I do my best to avoid them at all times. I avoid all EMR and try to live as I was evolved to do and feel OK now. Never sleep in Electricity.
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earthworm
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100 MHz corresponds to 3 meter wave, or 1.5 meter semi-wave
it probably depernds on the body-seize and shape.
the digital FM and TV are of course real killers, totally unnatural and hard hitting.
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sailplane
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Romana wrote
What are the worst devices you have used EMF wise that caused you the most sickdom, pain,..etc.?
iPhone 8 with data enabled ... of course it will probably matter what apps are installed and how far it is from the tower.  I think what you do with the device matters the most.

The power level is one thing, the beacon interval another(wifi/dect), and then the surfing/data usage is another, so I found all of these add up to the sum of "how bad it is."

Then, likely the speed of data comes into play next, which would be the bandwidth. So if there are 100MB/sec transferring in the air, vs 4GB/sec .. then the 4GB will be worse. This is why being close to multiple cell towers is worse than just one, because there is much more bandwidth being transferred.

You may feel ok next to a cell tower one day, but not the next because it will depend on how loaded it is/how much bandwidth it's transferring.  Same as the neighbor's wifi.. If you have a neighbor that downloads a lot, or watches netflix through wifi, that will be a lot worse than just occasional e-mail usage for example.

One more terrible one is HP Printers with Wifi+wifi direct. That's the one that makes me dizzy throughout the night if it's on during the day.
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Plop Plop
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You say "You may feel ok next to a cell tower one day, but not the next because it will depend on how loaded it is/how much bandwidth it's transferring.  Same as the neighbor's wifi.. If you have a neighbor that downloads a lot, or watches netflix through wifi, that will be a lot worse than just occasional e-mail usage for example. "  

 If that is the case then it is not 2.4 G that you are reacting to as the carrier wave runs at full volume 24-7.   It is the modulated signal.  These MW devices send a carrier wave out even when they send no info.  Its just toxic pollution for no good reason.  Check it out.   More likely the reason you dont feel it because you only feel it when over exposed and already bleeding Ca.
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Apple

Peter
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For me the worst radiating devices are made by Apple. My EMF sensitivity got way worse since I bought myself a Macbook. Of course I didn't know it then. But also thanks to it I realised I got this electrosensitivity. Now the only smartphone that makes me sick almost immediately is an iphone. For the rest it takes a bit of time, happens gradually. But that's my experience.  
I know it's an older post but I just joined in.
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Marc Martin
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I'm not sure if one can universally state that all Apple products are worse than all non-Apple products (from an EMF standpoint), as I've noticed that many people here have reported being happy with certain models of iPad or Mac Minis.  

I know that I've had horrible reactions from some Windows PCs / laptops, while others are fine.  In some cases, I think it's just been the brand of hard drive used inside that was causing me most of the problems, but really it could be any single internal component that makes something intolerable.




 
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ED.vs.EMR
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The stronger (faster, more powerful) they make them, the worse they probably emit EMR/EMF.

I loved my old plastic Blueberry iBook & later white plastic iBook but hated it when Apple began making everything out of ugly grey metal (MacBooks, Phones) but maybe metal cases "hold in" the bad stuff better?  

I learned a few years ago from Lloyd Burrell's ElectricSense.com site of a Miami company/site, Safe Levels, that sells Apple gizmos but first encases the hard drives in MuMetal & ditto the fluorescent ballasts in monitors.  Lloyd had said he bought a monitor & a MacMini from them.

It will cost you an extra pretty penny (on top of Apple's high prices) to buy one from Safe Levels, though (which I have not done so I can't say whether there's a difference in EMR).

Their site at the time also listed some of their clients ... guess who?  An assortment of USA Fed Govt. "alphabet" agencies.

So what does THAT tell us! Ah ha, the "Shadow Knows"!  ;)

/ED.vs.EMR

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For me the worst radiating devices are made by Apple. My EMF sensitivity got way worse since I bought myself a Macbook. Of course I didn't know it then. But also thanks to it I realised I got this electrosensitivity. Now the only smartphone that makes me sick almost immediately is an iphone. For the rest it takes a bit of time, happens gradually. But that's my experience.  
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Romana
Threre is also pretty big difference between Apple products. A 2015 model Apple Macbbook Pro 15" is fully ok but a 2017 mod macbook air burns my hands badly when im writing or using touchpad so I need to use external keyboard and mouse. Just my own experience of course.
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ED.vs.EMR
Aren't the MacBook Air models wifi-only?  (I haven't looked at Apple specs in awhile). My last laptop purchase was in 2012 of a 2011-model MacBook Pro 15".  It's bearable but I definitely feel "wired/fried" after several hours.  

That prior site I mentioned that sells Apple & other computers/laptops/monitors after they de-chemicalize, de-gass, & de-radiate them (w/MuMetal), I spelled the URL wrong.  It is SAFE LEVEL (singular) vs. Safe LevelS (plural):

Technology Alternatives Corp.    
1950 NE 208 Terrace Miami, FL 33179
800-222-3003
305-933-2026
"Chemical Free, Radiation Free Computers!  Certified in writing to be chemical free and radiation free for your peace of mind!"

They will also do the above things to anyone's current computer for those who would want to ship their own computer &/or monitor to them.
FYI!

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Threre is also pretty big difference between Apple products. A 2015 model Apple Macbbook Pro 15" is fully ok but a 2017 mod macbook air burns my hands badly when im writing or using touchpad so I need to use external keyboard and mouse. Just my own experience of course.

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Romana
Yes most macbooks now only have wifi, but you can use a thunderbolt to ethernet adapter if you want to use ethernet cable. Regarding some macbooks I think dirty emf from the electronics are worse than the wifi, at least for me as I dont react to wifi anymore. But everyone(many) reacts differently.
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earthworm
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The safelevel-website seems a bit out of date.
Their latest "radiation news" is from 2002, and the approach is a bit underdeveloped.
Also nowadays devices may be less toxic.
No frequency-range of the cheap meter they sell is mentioned.
Perhaps customers do not need to know that there is still a lot of emfs coming out of their "radiation free" pc-s and "zero radiation" monitors apart from what is blocked ( probably only the internal power-supply : http://www.safelevel.com/page6/page6.html ).
Nevertheless the idea is good, and beggars can't be choosers.
I was lucky too get a low emf monitor ( manually modified to a high extent ) but there are only few of these produced ( so hard to get ).
About laptops in general : https://www.lowemfoffice.com/laptop_computers.htm
There are millions of people worrying about emfs, where are the large scale low emf devices ?
One would think that there is a market for serious solutions.



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