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Svetaswan-2
Hi everyone,

The other day, I was browsing a page on www.mercola.com on emfs, and came across this little "nugget":

"Eyeglass frames should ideally be made from plastic with no wires in them,otherwise they can serve as an antenna to focus the radio and cellular phone waves directly into your brain." (from http://www.mercola.com/article/emf/emf_dangers.htm , near the bottom of the page)  

I don't know if this exactly led to a full-blown "Eureka!" moment, but reading this did cause me to immediately take off my eyeglasses (which I wear *all* of the time - as I'm nearsighted beyond belief) - and examine them. Although my eyeglass frames *appear* to be plastic, I looked at the hinge area (the area where the glasses "fold"). The hinges are obviously made from some metal-type of material. What's more, I saw that the "stems" (the parts of the frame that extend over the sides of your head and terminate over your ears) seem to have a narrow metal/wire interior. The hinges attach to this metal interior. I am not sure how much of the stems contain this metal interior - but certain clues lead me to believe that there is some type of metal/wire interior extending down the entire length of the stems. This makes me want to break open my eyeglass frames, to see exactly how much metal is in them.  

Anyway, I took off my eyeglasses - and it seems that I experienced almost-immediate relief of some of my "head" symptoms. Was it a complete cure? No, but there seemed to be some improvement, some noticable feeling of relief.  

Was this feeling of improvement an indication that the metal in my eyeglassframe is indeed acting as an "antenna" - amplifying and strengthening these emfs right beside my head/brain? Or am I experiencing some sort of placebo effect? Can anyone confirm through your own experiences that the "antenna" effect is real? Could something as "simple" as wearing eyeglasses worsen the effects of electrosensitivity?  

I'm wondering if it would be worth it to search for some sort of completelymetal-free, wire-free eyeglass frames (if there is such a thing) - or go back to wearing contact-lenses. Has anyone actually changed or adjusted your eyewear to improve your electrosensitivity, and noticed a positive difference? If so, any tips on where to look for 100% metal-free eyeglass frames?

~Svetaswan

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PUK

In a message dated 05/03/2010 10:48:31 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Was this feeling of improvement an indication that the metal in my
eyeglass frame is indeed acting as an "antenna" - amplifying and strengthening
these emfs right beside my head/brain? Or am I experiencing some sort of
placebo effect? Can anyone confirm through your own experiences that the
"antenna" effect is real? Could something as "simple" as wearing eyeglasses worsen
the effects of electrosensitivity?



PUK REPLIES - Wearing metal framed glasses in front of a vdu, wether crt or
lcd will lead to a concentration of emf around the metal so best to avoid
when there are full plastic ones available, Any kind of metal in the body
will lead to this effect in areas of high emf, so best to avoid metal about
the body if you are ES. Metal is a great conductor !


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Marc Martin
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> I'm wondering if it would be worth it to search for some sort of
> completely metal-free, wire-free eyeglass frames (if there is such a
> thing) - or go back to wearing contact-lenses. Has anyone actually
> changed or adjusted your eyewear to improve your electrosensitivity, and
> noticed a positive difference? If so, any tips on where to look for 100%
> metal-free eyeglass frames?

Yes, this has been discussed here in the past. I have certainly noticed
a difference between wearing eyeglasses and not, and am glad I usually
wear contact lenses. Shivani apparently found eyeglasses which contained
no metal (including no hinges or inner wires), but I don't have a link
for that.

Marc

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Marc Martin
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> Any kind of metal in the body will lead to this effect
> in areas of high emf, so best to avoid metal about
> the body if you are ES.

I've even been wearing a plastic belt buckle for the
past few months, although I can't say that I notice
any benefits from doing this over wearing a metal one...

Marc

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stephen_vandevijvere
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--- On Fri, 3/5/10, svetaswan <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: svetaswan <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Metals/wires and the "antenna" effect
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 10:44 AM


 



Hi everyone,

The other day, I was browsing a page on www.mercola. com on emfs, and came across this little "nugget":

"Eyeglass frames should ideally be made from plastic with no wires in them,otherwise they can serve as an antenna to focus the radio and cellular phone waves directly into your brain." (from http://www.mercola. com/article/ emf/emf_dangers. htm , near the bottom of the page)

I don't know if this exactly led to a full-blown "Eureka!" moment, but reading this did cause me to immediately take off my eyeglasses (which I wear *all* of the time - as I'm nearsighted beyond belief) - and examine them. Although my eyeglass frames *appear* to be plastic, I looked at the hinge area (the area where the glasses "fold"). The hinges are obviously made from some metal-type of material. What's more, I saw that the "stems" (the parts of the frame that extend over the sides of your head and terminate over your ears) seem to have a narrow metal/wire interior. The hinges attach to this metal interior. I am not sure how much of the stems contain this metal interior - but certain clues lead me to believe that there is some type of metal/wire interior extending down the entire length of the stems. This makesme want to break open my eyeglass frames, to see exactly how much metal isin them.

Anyway, I took off my eyeglasses - and it seems that I experienced almost-immediate relief of some of my "head" symptoms. Was it a complete cure? No, but there seemed to be some improvement, some noticable feeling of relief.

Was this feeling of improvement an indication that the metal in my eyeglassframe is indeed acting as an "antenna" - amplifying and strengthening these emfs right beside my head/brain? Or am I experiencing some sort of placebo effect? Can anyone confirm through your own experiences that the "antenna" effect is real? Could something as "simple" as wearing eyeglasses worsen the effects of electrosensitivity?

I'm wondering if it would be worth it to search for some sort of completelymetal-free, wire-free eyeglass frames (if there is such a thing) - or go back to wearing contact-lenses. Has anyone actually changed or adjusted youreyewear to improve your electrosensitivity, and noticed a positive difference? If so, any tips on where to look for 100% metal-free eyeglass frames?

~Svetaswan









     

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stephen_vandevijvere
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Hi,
 
Sorry about the last blank post, that was an accident ;)
 
I also wear glasses and try to buy the ones with the least metal (and plastics or fake wood around it), but I haven't ever seen glasses without any metal at all.
 
I also feel a tad better if I don't wear glasses, but not directly ES-wise.
 
2 years ago I tried a laptop that gave me an immediate headache, if itwas better without wearing glasses, but I don't think there was an immediate difference... Of course there may be a long term difference...
 
Interesting topic... I'm also curious if there are ES-ers who have experienced differences with wearing lenses/...
 
Stephen.

--- On Fri, 3/5/10, svetaswan <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: svetaswan <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Metals/wires and the "antenna" effect
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, March 5, 2010, 10:44 AM


 



Hi everyone,

The other day, I was browsing a page on www.mercola. com on emfs, and came across this little "nugget":

"Eyeglass frames should ideally be made from plastic with no wires in them,otherwise they can serve as an antenna to focus the radio and cellular phone waves directly into your brain." (from http://www.mercola. com/article/ emf/emf_dangers. htm , near the bottom of the page)

I don't know if this exactly led to a full-blown "Eureka!" moment, but reading this did cause me to immediately take off my eyeglasses (which I wear *all* of the time - as I'm nearsighted beyond belief) - and examine them. Although my eyeglass frames *appear* to be plastic, I looked at the hinge area (the area where the glasses "fold"). The hinges are obviously made from some metal-type of material. What's more, I saw that the "stems" (the parts of the frame that extend over the sides of your head and terminate over your ears) seem to have a narrow metal/wire interior. The hinges attach to this metal interior. I am not sure how much of the stems contain this metal interior - but certain clues lead me to believe that there is some type of metal/wire interior extending down the entire length of the stems. This makesme want to break open my eyeglass frames, to see exactly how much metal isin them.

Anyway, I took off my eyeglasses - and it seems that I experienced almost-immediate relief of some of my "head" symptoms. Was it a complete cure? No, but there seemed to be some improvement, some noticable feeling of relief.

Was this feeling of improvement an indication that the metal in my eyeglassframe is indeed acting as an "antenna" - amplifying and strengthening these emfs right beside my head/brain? Or am I experiencing some sort of placebo effect? Can anyone confirm through your own experiences that the "antenna" effect is real? Could something as "simple" as wearing eyeglasses worsen the effects of electrosensitivity?

I'm wondering if it would be worth it to search for some sort of completelymetal-free, wire-free eyeglass frames (if there is such a thing) - or go back to wearing contact-lenses. Has anyone actually changed or adjusted youreyewear to improve your electrosensitivity, and noticed a positive difference? If so, any tips on where to look for 100% metal-free eyeglass frames?

~Svetaswan









     

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PUK
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In a message dated 05/03/2010 20:02:40 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I also wear glasses and try to buy the ones with the least metal (and
plastics or fake wood around it), but I haven't ever seen glasses without any
metal at all.



I dispensed with glasses and loaded up zoomtext 8.1 so that I could get
good distance from the PC and still read what was on the screen. - puk


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Svetaswan-2
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So it wasn't just my imagination, after all. ;-) (Unfortunately, the peoplein my "immediate circle" dismiss my electrosensitivity as a "paranoid" figment of my imagination - which has inevitably led to, among other things, my second-guessing what I'm feeling/perceiving.)  

I guess this means that I can find some relief by going back to wearing contact-lenses. Many years ago, contacts were my eyewear of choice - but my contact-lens use gradually decreased over the years to the point where, in recent years, I've exclusively been wearing eyeglasses. I'm reluctant to goback to wearing contacts - because it's higher-maintenance and I think eyeglasses make me "look better" (and more "respectable"). But I guess you gotta do what you gotta do.  

Without eyeglasses, the accelerated-aging that my eye-area has endured overthe past couple of years will be more visible - which isn't a pleasant prospect. Speaking of eye/facial-aging - I've tentatively linked the accelerated aging to the "emr bath" I've received with this laptop...now I wonder if the eyeglasses contributed to it, as well. The wires in my eyeglass frames have apparently been amplifying the emr right near the areas of my face that seem to have been hit the hardest by accelerated-aging. Hmmm...

I guess this implicates underwires that are inside of bras, too. Quite awhile back, I came across some source that linked bra underwires to increasedbreast cancer risk. This scared me, but I guess it didn't scare me enoughto stop wearing bras with underwires. Now, I'm seriously wondering whether wearing underwired bras 24-7 has something to do with what I've experienced over the past couple of years. A couple of years back, I started experiencing intermittent breast itching and dull aches...these aches happened tostart right around the time I started using this laptop extensively (surprise, surprise). My mom thinks I'm absolutely cuckoo for attributing my breast pains to my laptop use - but I seriously think the two could be somehowrelated. I had previously attributed my breast symptoms to a prescriptiondrug I was taking at the time, and/or to an ill-advised "megadosing" of iron supplements (to try to raise my extremely-low ferritin levels) - but I've long since stopped taking the drug and the heavy iron dosing.

Anyway - what I've "discovered" over the past few days now has me scrambling to replace all of my wired bras! Could the bra underwires have done whatthe wires inside of my glasses seemed to have done - amplify radiation right near a sensitive area of my body?

This is scary stuff. Let's just say that I've done quite a bit of praying over the past several months that my pains are not signs of something really serious.

Also, I've come across webpages implicating mattresses with wire-metal "springs" inside of them, as well. Could it be why I seem to be most bothered by whatever "poison" that is coming from our wireless router (that is located in our basement) when I'm laying in bed?  

~Svetaswan

         
--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:
>

>
>
> PUK REPLIES - Wearing metal framed glasses in front of a vdu, wether crt or
> lcd will lead to a concentration of emf around the metal so best to avoid
> when there are full plastic ones available, Any kind of metal in the body
> will lead to this effect in areas of high emf, so best to avoid metal about
> the body if you are ES. Metal is a great conductor !
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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charles-4
@Svetaswan

For better understanding what is going on, you may read what I have written
on my HP.

Start at:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina100.html
and read at the chapter Elektrosmog and Symptoms.

And yes, static magnetic fields belong also to elektrosmog, and are grossly
underrecognized.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton



----- Original Message -----
From: "svetaswan" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 11:48 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Metals/wires and the "antenna" effect


>
>
> So it wasn't just my imagination, after all. ;-) (Unfortunately, the
> people in my "immediate circle" dismiss my electrosensitivity as a
> "paranoid" figment of my imagination - which has inevitably led to, among
> other things, my second-guessing what I'm feeling/perceiving.)
>
> I guess this means that I can find some relief by going back to wearing
> contact-lenses. Many years ago, contacts were my eyewear of choice - but
> my contact-lens use gradually decreased over the years to the point where,
> in recent years, I've exclusively been wearing eyeglasses. I'm reluctant
> to go back to wearing contacts - because it's higher-maintenance and I
> think eyeglasses make me "look better" (and more "respectable"). But I
> guess you gotta do what you gotta do.
>
> Without eyeglasses, the accelerated-aging that my eye-area has endured
> over the past couple of years will be more visible - which isn't a
> pleasant prospect. Speaking of eye/facial-aging - I've tentatively linked
> the accelerated aging to the "emr bath" I've received with this
> laptop...now I wonder if the eyeglasses contributed to it, as well. The
> wires in my eyeglass frames have apparently been amplifying the emr right
> near the areas of my face that seem to have been hit the hardest by
> accelerated-aging. Hmmm...
>
> I guess this implicates underwires that are inside of bras, too. Quite
> awhile back, I came across some source that linked bra underwires to
> increased breast cancer risk. This scared me, but I guess it didn't scare
> me enough to stop wearing bras with underwires. Now, I'm seriously
> wondering whether wearing underwired bras 24-7 has something to do with
> what I've experienced over the past couple of years. A couple of years
> back, I started experiencing intermittent breast itching and dull
> aches...these aches happened to start right around the time I started
> using this laptop extensively (surprise, surprise). My mom thinks I'm
> absolutely cuckoo for attributing my breast pains to my laptop use - but I
> seriously think the two could be somehow related. I had previously
> attributed my breast symptoms to a prescription drug I was taking at the
> time, and/or to an ill-advised "megadosing" of iron supplements (to try to
> raise my extremely-low ferritin levels) - but I've long since stopped
> taking the drug and the heavy iron dosing.
>
> Anyway - what I've "discovered" over the past few days now has me
> scrambling to replace all of my wired bras! Could the bra underwires have
> done what the wires inside of my glasses seemed to have done - amplify
> radiation right near a sensitive area of my body?
>
> This is scary stuff. Let's just say that I've done quite a bit of praying
> over the past several months that my pains are not signs of something
> really serious.
>
> Also, I've come across webpages implicating mattresses with wire-metal
> "springs" inside of them, as well. Could it be why I seem to be most
> bothered by whatever "poison" that is coming from our wireless router
> (that is located in our basement) when I'm laying in bed?
>
> ~Svetaswan
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:
>>
>
>>
>>
>> PUK REPLIES - Wearing metal framed glasses in front of a vdu, wether crt
>> or
>> lcd will lead to a concentration of emf around the metal so best to
>> avoid
>> when there are full plastic ones available, Any kind of metal in the
>> body
>> will lead to this effect in areas of high emf, so best to avoid metal
>> about
>> the body if you are ES. Metal is a great conductor !
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Svetaswan-2


Thanks for the link Charles - your site brings to light a lot of things andhelpfully condenses a lot of info in one place. What's unfortunate/depressing for me, though (excuse me for spewing negativity) is that some of the people who need to read your site even more than I do - like, my parents - wouldn't believe a word that's written on your site even if they bothered to take the time to read it. So although my first impulse was to print up the info to show them - I know it would be just a waste of energy (and paper).

One immediate question that I have from perusing some of the stuff on your site (as well as reading some of the recent posts here) is about "shieldingmaterial" vs. "conducting material". Excuse my lack of knowledge, but it is confusing to me that - at the same time that we're talking about metals acting as "antennae" and increasing the effects of electrosensitivity - there are posts talking about using certain metals (like aluminum) to block emfs. Could you (or anyone) clear this up for me? Based on the "warnings" against using wired-framed glasses, and mattresses w/ metal springs, etc. - it seems to me that covering a room with aluminum (or using shielding materials containing silver) would make things worse instead of better. How could the same types of material both amplify/propagate radiation and block it?

And if aluminum is a good shield for microwave radiation - would that mean that laptops that have an aluminum casing (like the Apple MacBook) would bemore tolerable for people sensitive to high-frequency (radio/microwave) radiation? Or would the aluminum actually make things worse (because of the antenna effect)?  

One thing I've read about the MacBooks is that they tend to get very "hot" during use. Based on my experience, more computer heat = greater symptoms.  

Thanks again,

~Svetaswan

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

>
> @Svetaswan
>
> For better understanding what is going on, you may read what I have written
> on my HP.
>
> Start at:
> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina100.html
> and read at the chapter Elektrosmog and Symptoms.
>
> And yes, static magnetic fields belong also to elektrosmog, and are grossly
> underrecognized.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "svetaswan" <svetaswan@...>
> To: <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 11:48 AM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Metals/wires and the "antenna" effect
>
>
> >
> >
> > So it wasn't just my imagination, after all. ;-) (Unfortunately, the
> > people in my "immediate circle" dismiss my electrosensitivity as a
> > "paranoid" figment of my imagination - which has inevitably led to, among
> > other things, my second-guessing what I'm feeling/perceiving.)
> >
> > I guess this means that I can find some relief by going back to wearing
> > contact-lenses. Many years ago, contacts were my eyewear of choice - but
> > my contact-lens use gradually decreased over the years to the point where,
> > in recent years, I've exclusively been wearing eyeglasses. I'm reluctant
> > to go back to wearing contacts - because it's higher-maintenance and I
> > think eyeglasses make me "look better" (and more "respectable"). But I
> > guess you gotta do what you gotta do.
> >
> > Without eyeglasses, the accelerated-aging that my eye-area has endured
> > over the past couple of years will be more visible - which isn't a
> > pleasant prospect. Speaking of eye/facial-aging - I've tentatively linked
> > the accelerated aging to the "emr bath" I've received with this
> > laptop...now I wonder if the eyeglasses contributed to it, as well. The
> > wires in my eyeglass frames have apparently been amplifying the emr right
> > near the areas of my face that seem to have been hit the hardest by
> > accelerated-aging. Hmmm...
> >
> > I guess this implicates underwires that are inside of bras, too. Quite
> > awhile back, I came across some source that linked bra underwires to
> > increased breast cancer risk. This scared me, but I guess it didn't scare
> > me enough to stop wearing bras with underwires. Now, I'm seriously
> > wondering whether wearing underwired bras 24-7 has something to do with
> > what I've experienced over the past couple of years. A couple of years
> > back, I started experiencing intermittent breast itching and dull
> > aches...these aches happened to start right around the time I started
> > using this laptop extensively (surprise, surprise). My mom thinks I'm
> > absolutely cuckoo for attributing my breast pains to my laptop use - but I
> > seriously think the two could be somehow related. I had previously
> > attributed my breast symptoms to a prescription drug I was taking at the
> > time, and/or to an ill-advised "megadosing" of iron supplements (to tryto
> > raise my extremely-low ferritin levels) - but I've long since stopped
> > taking the drug and the heavy iron dosing.
> >
> > Anyway - what I've "discovered" over the past few days now has me
> > scrambling to replace all of my wired bras! Could the bra underwires have
> > done what the wires inside of my glasses seemed to have done - amplify
> > radiation right near a sensitive area of my body?
> >
> > This is scary stuff. Let's just say that I've done quite a bit of praying
> > over the past several months that my pains are not signs of something
> > really serious.
> >
> > Also, I've come across webpages implicating mattresses with wire-metal
> > "springs" inside of them, as well. Could it be why I seem to be most
> > bothered by whatever "poison" that is coming from our wireless router
> > (that is located in our basement) when I'm laying in bed?
> >
> > ~Svetaswan
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], paulpjc@ wrote:
> >>
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> PUK REPLIES - Wearing metal framed glasses in front of a vdu, wether crt
> >> or
> >> lcd will lead to a concentration of emf around the metal so best to
> >> avoid
> >> when there are full plastic ones available, Any kind of metal in the
> >> body
> >> will lead to this effect in areas of high emf, so best to avoid metal
> >> about
> >> the body if you are ES. Metal is a great conductor !
> >>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Re: Metals/wires and the "antenna" effect

charles-4
One pont is, that aluminium can shield against high frequency radiation, but
it also shields against the becessary *cosmic rays*.

Some shielding materials, like those window drapes, do not need th be
grounded.

But metallic surfaces, like aluminium do, because they shield at one point,
but may work like a secundary antenna, so therefore it must be grounded.

Be also aware that your ground must be all right, but that is not always the
case.
Coupling the ground wire to for instance an radiator of your central heating
may make things worse, because it may happen, that such a grounding is not a
good one.

Sometimes it may help when you hit a longer metal rod (like one they use as
reinforcement in concrete) into the ground, at a spot, where there are
certainly no other bars, tubes, or conduits in the soil, and use that as a
ground.

A good electrician can help you there.

You should also think abourt reflections.
When you place some aluminium sheet against a wall in order to shield the
radiation coming from outside, you may have a refelection from a source
coming from behind you.

Most metal shieldings just block and reflect the radiation.

Other materials like fabrics and tissues and other stuff may absorb the
radiation.
Those black paints for walls shielld very well, but because they conduct
electrical fields, they must be grounded. There are special strips and
mounting plates for that.

In my opinion, metal casings of computers do shield in a way, but they
transmit also the radiation to the outside. So it is a good idea to ground
them also.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton



----- Original Message -----
From: "svetaswan" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:03 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Metals/wires and the "antenna" effect


>
>
> Thanks for the link Charles - your site brings to light a lot of things
> and helpfully condenses a lot of info in one place. What's
> unfortunate/depressing for me, though (excuse me for spewing negativity)
> is that some of the people who need to read your site even more than I
> do - like, my parents - wouldn't believe a word that's written on your
> site even if they bothered to take the time to read it. So although my
> first impulse was to print up the info to show them - I know it would be
> just a waste of energy (and paper).
>
> One immediate question that I have from perusing some of the stuff on your
> site (as well as reading some of the recent posts here) is about
> "shielding material" vs. "conducting material". Excuse my lack of
> knowledge, but it is confusing to me that - at the same time that we're
> talking about metals acting as "antennae" and increasing the effects of
> electrosensitivity - there are posts talking about using certain metals
> (like aluminum) to block emfs. Could you (or anyone) clear this up for
> me? Based on the "warnings" against using wired-framed glasses, and
> mattresses w/ metal springs, etc. - it seems to me that covering a room
> with aluminum (or using shielding materials containing silver) would make
> things worse instead of better. How could the same types of material both
> amplify/propagate radiation and block it?
>
> And if aluminum is a good shield for microwave radiation - would that mean
> that laptops that have an aluminum casing (like the Apple MacBook) would
> be more tolerable for people sensitive to high-frequency (radio/microwave)
> radiation? Or would the aluminum actually make things worse (because of
> the antenna effect)?
>
> One thing I've read about the MacBooks is that they tend to get very "hot"
> during use. Based on my experience, more computer heat = greater
> symptoms.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> ~Svetaswan
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>>
>> @Svetaswan
>>
>> For better understanding what is going on, you may read what I have
>> written
>> on my HP.
>>
>> Start at:
>> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina100.html
>> and read at the chapter Elektrosmog and Symptoms.
>>
>> And yes, static magnetic fields belong also to elektrosmog, and are
>> grossly
>> underrecognized.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> member Verband Baubiologie
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>> www.milieuziektes.be
>> www.hetbitje.nl
>> checked by Norton
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "svetaswan" <svetaswan@...>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 11:48 AM
>> Subject: [eSens] Re: Metals/wires and the "antenna" effect
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > So it wasn't just my imagination, after all. ;-) (Unfortunately, the
>> > people in my "immediate circle" dismiss my electrosensitivity as a
>> > "paranoid" figment of my imagination - which has inevitably led to,
>> > among
>> > other things, my second-guessing what I'm feeling/perceiving.)
>> >
>> > I guess this means that I can find some relief by going back to wearing
>> > contact-lenses. Many years ago, contacts were my eyewear of choice -
>> > but
>> > my contact-lens use gradually decreased over the years to the point
>> > where,
>> > in recent years, I've exclusively been wearing eyeglasses. I'm
>> > reluctant
>> > to go back to wearing contacts - because it's higher-maintenance and I
>> > think eyeglasses make me "look better" (and more "respectable"). But
>> > I
>> > guess you gotta do what you gotta do.
>> >
>> > Without eyeglasses, the accelerated-aging that my eye-area has endured
>> > over the past couple of years will be more visible - which isn't a
>> > pleasant prospect. Speaking of eye/facial-aging - I've tentatively
>> > linked
>> > the accelerated aging to the "emr bath" I've received with this
>> > laptop...now I wonder if the eyeglasses contributed to it, as well.
>> > The
>> > wires in my eyeglass frames have apparently been amplifying the emr
>> > right
>> > near the areas of my face that seem to have been hit the hardest by
>> > accelerated-aging. Hmmm...
>> >
>> > I guess this implicates underwires that are inside of bras, too. Quite
>> > awhile back, I came across some source that linked bra underwires to
>> > increased breast cancer risk. This scared me, but I guess it didn't
>> > scare
>> > me enough to stop wearing bras with underwires. Now, I'm seriously
>> > wondering whether wearing underwired bras 24-7 has something to do with
>> > what I've experienced over the past couple of years. A couple of years
>> > back, I started experiencing intermittent breast itching and dull
>> > aches...these aches happened to start right around the time I started
>> > using this laptop extensively (surprise, surprise). My mom thinks I'm
>> > absolutely cuckoo for attributing my breast pains to my laptop use -
>> > but I
>> > seriously think the two could be somehow related. I had previously
>> > attributed my breast symptoms to a prescription drug I was taking at
>> > the
>> > time, and/or to an ill-advised "megadosing" of iron supplements (to try
>> > to
>> > raise my extremely-low ferritin levels) - but I've long since stopped
>> > taking the drug and the heavy iron dosing.
>> >
>> > Anyway - what I've "discovered" over the past few days now has me
>> > scrambling to replace all of my wired bras! Could the bra underwires
>> > have
>> > done what the wires inside of my glasses seemed to have done - amplify
>> > radiation right near a sensitive area of my body?
>> >
>> > This is scary stuff. Let's just say that I've done quite a bit of
>> > praying
>> > over the past several months that my pains are not signs of something
>> > really serious.
>> >
>> > Also, I've come across webpages implicating mattresses with wire-metal
>> > "springs" inside of them, as well. Could it be why I seem to be most
>> > bothered by whatever "poison" that is coming from our wireless router
>> > (that is located in our basement) when I'm laying in bed?
>> >
>> > ~Svetaswan
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In [hidden email], paulpjc@ wrote:
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> PUK REPLIES - Wearing metal framed glasses in front of a vdu, wether
>> >> crt
>> >> or
>> >> lcd will lead to a concentration of emf around the metal so best to
>> >> avoid
>> >> when there are full plastic ones available, Any kind of metal in the
>> >> body
>> >> will lead to this effect in areas of high emf, so best to avoid metal
>> >> about
>> >> the body if you are ES. Metal is a great conductor !
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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BiBrun
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Great question!

It's not too easy to answer correctly but I will try.

A large metal plane is good at reflecting microwaves, just like
a mirror. What's different from a mirror is the wavelength is
centimeters instead of sub-micron, so there is more scattering
around the edges. Also, the microwaves don't notice small
holes as much, so aluminum screens work quite well.

The issue with glasses (and to a lesser extent mattresses and shields)
is that the field is reduced within the metal frame, but as a consequence
is concentrated at each end of the frame. This depends on the direction of
the field. For aluminum or non magnetic metals, only the electric field is
affected. For steel, the magnetic field is also concentrated.

It is not a huge effect (a good shielding job can give you 100 to 10,000
fold reduction, but taking off your glasses is probably a factor of 2 or so
improvement at the ends of the frames, and the field should get slightly
worse in the middle of where the frame was).

Plus, the shield, if large, casts a long shadow of reduced field, while the
increase from the glasses in only an inch or so near the tips. It is a
"near field" effect.
With a mattress the effect could extend to a few inches, maybe a foot around
the edges. In the center of the mattress the field should be lower than
with no mattress, although the magnetic field (depending on orientation)
will be stronger within a fraction of an inch of each coil.

Theoretically it can be more complex, if there are resonances, but still it
will be a near field effect... don't worry about a mattress in the
neighbor's apartment (but a distant shield, like reflective metalized glass
on a sky scraper in which you see the reflection of a cell tower, can affect
you at large distance).

Scientists generally know that a pointed lightning rod increases the field
at the point, but they may not have thought about your glasses in the same
vein. Also, the effects are simplest at low frequencies... at microwave
frequencies it's hard to predict if the field gets higher or lower... but
any metal object of decent size can scatter microwaves, and they tend to be
stronger higher up, so getting rid of an unused roof-top antenna may be a
good idea, so it doesn't scatter those strong waves down at you.

I hope I can write a book on all this stuff some day...

Bill



On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 7:03 AM, svetaswan <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> Thanks for the link Charles - your site brings to light a lot of things and
> helpfully condenses a lot of info in one place. What's
> unfortunate/depressing for me, though (excuse me for spewing negativity) is
> that some of the people who need to read your site even more than I do -
> like, my parents - wouldn't believe a word that's written on your site even
> if they bothered to take the time to read it. So although my first impulse
> was to print up the info to show them - I know it would be just a waste of
> energy (and paper).
>
> One immediate question that I have from perusing some of the stuff on your
> site (as well as reading some of the recent posts here) is about "shielding
> material" vs. "conducting material". Excuse my lack of knowledge, but it is
> confusing to me that - at the same time that we're talking about metals
> acting as "antennae" and increasing the effects of electrosensitivity -
> there are posts talking about using certain metals (like aluminum) to block
> emfs. Could you (or anyone) clear this up for me? Based on the "warnings"
> against using wired-framed glasses, and mattresses w/ metal springs, etc.-
> it seems to me that covering a room with aluminum (or using shielding
> materials containing silver) would make things worse instead of better. How
> could the same types of material both amplify/propagate radiation and block
> it?
>
> And if aluminum is a good shield for microwave radiation - would that mean
> that laptops that have an aluminum casing (like the Apple MacBook) would be
> more tolerable for people sensitive to high-frequency (radio/microwave)
> radiation? Or would the aluminum actually make things worse (because of the
> antenna effect)?
>
> One thing I've read about the MacBooks is that they tend to get very "hot"
> during use. Based on my experience, more computer heat = greater symptoms.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> ~Svetaswan
>
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "charles"
> <charles@...> wrote:
> >
> > @Svetaswan
> >
> > For better understanding what is going on, you may read what I have
> written
> > on my HP.
> >
> > Start at:
> > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina100.html
> > and read at the chapter Elektrosmog and Symptoms.
> >
> > And yes, static magnetic fields belong also to elektrosmog, and are
> grossly
> > underrecognized.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "svetaswan" <svetaswan@...>
> > To: <[hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 11:48 AM
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Metals/wires and the "antenna" effect
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > So it wasn't just my imagination, after all. ;-) (Unfortunately, the
> > > people in my "immediate circle" dismiss my electrosensitivity as a
> > > "paranoid" figment of my imagination - which has inevitably led to,
> among
> > > other things, my second-guessing what I'm feeling/perceiving.)
> > >
> > > I guess this means that I can find some relief by going back to wearing
>
> > > contact-lenses. Many years ago, contacts were my eyewear of choice -
> but
> > > my contact-lens use gradually decreased over the years to the point
> where,
> > > in recent years, I've exclusively been wearing eyeglasses. I'm
> reluctant
> > > to go back to wearing contacts - because it's higher-maintenance and I
> > > think eyeglasses make me "look better" (and more "respectable"). But I
> > > guess you gotta do what you gotta do.
> > >
> > > Without eyeglasses, the accelerated-aging that my eye-area has endured
> > > over the past couple of years will be more visible - which isn't a
> > > pleasant prospect. Speaking of eye/facial-aging - I've tentatively
> linked
> > > the accelerated aging to the "emr bath" I've received with this
> > > laptop...now I wonder if the eyeglasses contributed to it, as well. The
>
> > > wires in my eyeglass frames have apparently been amplifying the emr
> right
> > > near the areas of my face that seem to have been hit the hardest by
> > > accelerated-aging. Hmmm...
> > >
> > > I guess this implicates underwires that are inside of bras, too. Quite
> > > awhile back, I came across some source that linked bra underwires to
> > > increased breast cancer risk. This scared me, but I guess it didn't
> scare
> > > me enough to stop wearing bras with underwires. Now, I'm seriously
> > > wondering whether wearing underwired bras 24-7 has something to do with
>
> > > what I've experienced over the past couple of years. A couple of years
> > > back, I started experiencing intermittent breast itching and dull
> > > aches...these aches happened to start right around the time I started
> > > using this laptop extensively (surprise, surprise). My mom thinks I'm
> > > absolutely cuckoo for attributing my breast pains to my laptop use -
> but I
> > > seriously think the two could be somehow related. I had previously
> > > attributed my breast symptoms to a prescription drug I was taking at
> the
> > > time, and/or to an ill-advised "megadosing" of iron supplements (to try
> to
> > > raise my extremely-low ferritin levels) - but I've long since stopped
> > > taking the drug and the heavy iron dosing.
> > >
> > > Anyway - what I've "discovered" over the past few days now has me
> > > scrambling to replace all of my wired bras! Could the bra underwires
> have
> > > done what the wires inside of my glasses seemed to have done - amplify
> > > radiation right near a sensitive area of my body?
> > >
> > > This is scary stuff. Let's just say that I've done quite a bit of
> praying
> > > over the past several months that my pains are not signs of something
> > > really serious.
> > >
> > > Also, I've come across webpages implicating mattresses with wire-metal
> > > "springs" inside of them, as well. Could it be why I seem to be most
> > > bothered by whatever "poison" that is coming from our wireless router
> > > (that is located in our basement) when I'm laying in bed?
> > >
> > > ~Svetaswan
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, paulpjc@wrote:
> > >>
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> PUK REPLIES - Wearing metal framed glasses in front of a vdu, wether
> crt
> > >> or
> > >> lcd will lead to a concentration of emf around the metal so best to
> > >> avoid
> > >> when there are full plastic ones available, Any kind of metal in the
> > >> body
> > >> will lead to this effect in areas of high emf, so best to avoid metal
> > >> about
> > >> the body if you are ES. Metal is a great conductor !
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>  
>


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SArjuna
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Don Maisch posted something on his website some time ago about metering in
a public square that had celphone towers nearby and discovering that all
metals on the body were "slave antennas," that is they were receiving and
rebroadcasting the signals. So, yes, underwire bras are bad news, indeed.

I have posted here some time ago about dramatic disappearance of a njmber
of chronic symtoms when I had titanium pins removed from a tooth on the same
meridian line as the parts of the body that were affected. Tiny titanium
pins.

Recently I met someone who had a chronic problem with her left thumb, for
no reason. I asked her if she had metal in her teeth. She opened her
mouth and there was just one metal in there, a gold crown on the tooth
associated with the left thumb and big toe.

When you have dental work done, you also do not want crown materials that
use metallic colorants. Google "Doug Cook + dentist."

It's been some time since I changed over to all-plastic frames so I don't
know that I recall all the symptoms they caused, but one I recall very
clearly was muscle spasms. For a while I was a walking sensor, instantly
getting spasms upon exposure.

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEnergies.com










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PUK
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In a message dated 07/03/2010 23:08:36 GMT Standard Time, [hidden email]
writes:

Excuse my lack of knowledge, but it is
> confusing to me that - at the same time that we're talking about metals
> acting as "antennae" and increasing the effects of electrosensitivity -
> there are posts talking about using certain metals (like aluminum) to
block



PUK REPLIES - I guess if you were to throw a stone at me given a choice I
would use a large sized object to protect/sheild myself i wouldnt hold up a
peice of wire, that wont do the job, better to let the larger object take
the strain than you direct, but even better if you could erect a self
supporting sheild to do this, as if you are holding the sheild you will no doubt
get some strain/flack, same as emr sheilding I guess depending on the
nature of the material used but in general evan with emr sheilding you want to
keep your distance so part of the issue has got to be to do with size and
shape ability to catch electrons, pool them and then change their state
somehow and then discharge them away from the protected area. When I have
mentioned about wiring acting as an antennea this is correct I think due to the
size shape of the wire it acts very well as an antennea and reciver, but in
the case of house wiring I would be more concerned with chaotic mix of
frequencies being pushed through the system rather than stuuf riding off it
from the air, plain and simply the plastic coated twin and earth wires used
here in uk do not sheild the range of frequencies that thaey now carry and
so to use another anaolgy they are rather like a hosepipe with lots of holes
they leak like a seive, after 10yrs of suffering this ES thing, for me
avoidance and distance is my best defence, and in order to lead a raesonably
unencombered life I guess I have gotten used to feeling like crap 85% of the
time - knowledge and awareness is my sheild !


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PUK
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In a message dated 07/03/2010 10:48:58 GMT Standard Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Also, I've come across webpages implicating mattresses with wire-metal
"springs" inside of them, as well. Could it be why I seem to be most bothered
by whatever "poison" that is coming from our wireless router (that is
located in our basement) when I'm laying in bed?

~Svetaswan




PUK REPLIES - get a time switch put on the router so that it goes off
before 10pm ish. As for contact lenses in daily life should be fine, but I do
note that Ratheon who produce the silent gardian microwave weapon, reccomend
that voluteers testing this weapon take of meatl objects, glasses and
Contact lenses. As for the contact lenses I would guess that there is a
possibility that these could melt to the surface of the eye, due to thier wafer
thin and meterial properties based on water based plasticy struff - Just a
guess, but does this have implications for mobile using contact lense wearers
? AS for the underwired bras this makes perfect sense, switch to
reinforced plastic inserts.


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no spam please
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--- In [hidden email], "svetaswan" <svetaswan@...> wrote:

>
> Hi everyone,
>
> The other day, I was browsing a page on www.mercola.com on emfs, and cameacross this little "nugget":
>
> "Eyeglass frames should ideally be made from plastic with no wires in them, otherwise they can serve as an antenna to focus the radio and cellular phone waves directly into your brain." (from http://www.mercola.com/article/emf/emf_dangers.htm , near the bottom of the page)  
>
> I don't know if this exactly led to a full-blown "Eureka!" moment, but reading this did cause me to immediately take off my eyeglasses (which I wear*all* of the time - as I'm nearsighted beyond belief) - and examine them. Although my eyeglass frames *appear* to be plastic, I looked at the hinge area (the area where the glasses "fold"). The hinges are obviously made from some metal-type of material. What's more, I saw that the "stems" (the parts of the frame that extend over the sides of your head and terminate overyour ears) seem to have a narrow metal/wire interior. The hinges attach to this metal interior. I am not sure how much of the stems contain this metal interior - but certain clues lead me to believe that there is some typeof metal/wire interior extending down the entire length of the stems. This makes me want to break open my eyeglass frames, to see exactly how much metal is in them.  
>
> Anyway, I took off my eyeglasses - and it seems that I experienced almost-immediate relief of some of my "head" symptoms. Was it a complete cure? No, but there seemed to be some improvement, some noticable feeling of relief.  
>
> Was this feeling of improvement an indication that the metal in my eyeglass frame is indeed acting as an "antenna" - amplifying and strengthening these emfs right beside my head/brain? Or am I experiencing some sort of placebo effect? Can anyone confirm through your own experiences that the "antenna" effect is real? Could something as "simple" as wearing eyeglasses worsen the effects of electrosensitivity?  
>
> I'm wondering if it would be worth it to search for some sort of completely metal-free, wire-free eyeglass frames (if there is such a thing) - or goback to wearing contact-lenses. Has anyone actually changed or adjusted your eyewear to improve your electrosensitivity, and noticed a positive difference? If so, any tips on where to look for 100% metal-free eyeglass frames?
>
> ~Svetaswan
>

I have worn glasses since i was 11. I stopped wearing glasses (i am short sighted to a large degree)in 2001 because they were giving me horrible stabbing headaches, eye pains and lack of concentration.

I'm proud to say i have been wearing soft contact lens ever since.

that could be a very good explanation for the horrible experiences i had with glasses. All glasses are known to have some sort of metallic wire in them.

-- Casey

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BiBrun
Those weapons do cause significant heating just at the skin surface.
A contact lens might hold the heat on the eye longer?

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:44 AM, no spam please
<[hidden email]>wrote:

>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, "svetaswan"
> <svetaswan@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > The other day, I was browsing a page on www.mercola.com on emfs, and
> came across this little "nugget":
> >
> > "Eyeglass frames should ideally be made from plastic with no wires in
> them, otherwise they can serve as an antenna to focus the radio and cellular
> phone waves directly into your brain." (from
> http://www.mercola.com/article/emf/emf_dangers.htm , near the bottom of
> the page)
> >
> > I don't know if this exactly led to a full-blown "Eureka!" moment, but
> reading this did cause me to immediately take off my eyeglasses (which I
> wear *all* of the time - as I'm nearsighted beyond belief) - and examine
> them. Although my eyeglass frames *appear* to be plastic, I looked at the
> hinge area (the area where the glasses "fold"). The hinges are obviously
> made from some metal-type of material. What's more, I saw that the "stems"
> (the parts of the frame that extend over the sides of your head and
> terminate over your ears) seem to have a narrow metal/wire interior. The
> hinges attach to this metal interior. I am not sure how much of the stems
> contain this metal interior - but certain clues lead me to believe that
> there is some type of metal/wire interior extending down the entire length
> of the stems. This makes me want to break open my eyeglass frames, to see
> exactly how much metal is in them.
> >
> > Anyway, I took off my eyeglasses - and it seems that I experienced
> almost-immediate relief of some of my "head" symptoms. Was it a complete
> cure? No, but there seemed to be some improvement, some noticable feelingof
> relief.
> >
> > Was this feeling of improvement an indication that the metal in my
> eyeglass frame is indeed acting as an "antenna" - amplifying and
> strengthening these emfs right beside my head/brain? Or am I experiencing
> some sort of placebo effect? Can anyone confirm through your own experiences
> that the "antenna" effect is real? Could something as "simple" as wearing
> eyeglasses worsen the effects of electrosensitivity?
> >
> > I'm wondering if it would be worth it to search for some sort of
> completely metal-free, wire-free eyeglass frames (if there is such a thing)
> - or go back to wearing contact-lenses. Has anyone actually changed or
> adjusted your eyewear to improve your electrosensitivity, and noticed a
> positive difference? If so, any tips on where to look for 100% metal-free
> eyeglass frames?
> >
> > ~Svetaswan
> >
>
> I have worn glasses since i was 11. I stopped wearing glasses (i am short
> sighted to a large degree)in 2001 because they were giving me horrible
> stabbing headaches, eye pains and lack of concentration.
>
> I'm proud to say i have been wearing soft contact lens ever since.
>
> that could be a very good explanation for the horrible experiences i had
> with glasses. All glasses are known to have some sort of metallic wire in
> them.
>
> -- Casey
>
>  
>


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Merializer
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Antenna effect:

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superdrove
Thanks Merializer,

I enjoyed all your videos and I am going to try and make your  DIY two mouse stick system.  Do you use Optical mice for that?  I assume you are using one mouse for clicking with the dowels and the other mouse for moving with the stick?  Thanks for making these videos.

superdrove@zoho.com
Wireless Refugee
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Merializer
thanks superdrove,
maybe postpone a week or so, because i'm making a slightly different
system that should work even better.
I'll make a video asap or send you pictures if it's taking longer than expected.