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Already bought a good blender but now needs a good juicer. What to get? Philips f.ex. make claim that their more expenive slow juicer will open up the cells and squeeze out the goodness like vitamins and minerals into the juice.
Any other idea? It needs to be able to juice vegetables and be pretty easy to clean.
Yes, the "masticating" juicers are supposed to pull out more nutrition than some of the other juicers. I have one of these, an Omega 8001 that I must have purchased 18 years ago! The equivalent model of this today is the Omega 8007:
After some research I found kuvings is supposed to have good blenders that will hold, maybe the best on the market for private use. We'll see If I invest in one but until then I will squeeze them in the old manual handsqueezer.
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I mainly use a stainless steel manual juicer.
Some plastic handjuicers are reported to be weak and less durable, and that does not come as a surprise.
The stainless steel models all look alike, there is the Weston, the BL-27 and the BL-30 from Taiwan, and Chinese imitations that are still pretty functional.
There is also a tin-plated cast-iron one, cheap but less ideal.
My guess is that the BL-30 is qualitatively the best, but Weston offers spare-parts.
As an experiment, i bought an electrical one as well, a second-hand Matson horizontal slowjuicer that is supposed to be fairly good.
In both juicing twice ( entering the pulp a second time ) is increasing the yield substantially.
The handjuicer produces less humid pulp and more juice from celery, but it takes a little bit more time.
For green vegetables twin-gear slowjuicers are recommended for the highest efficiency.
Any electrical juicer emits an extremely strong magnetic field, which likely both harm the food and the person handling it.
At all means I would avoid a Tribest : http://www.alanmuskat.com/articles/stay-away-from-green-juicers/
Omega seems relatively fine, although some models contain BPA ( not its twin-gear juicer ).
Blenders cause oxidation and loss of nutrients, although the so called "vacuum blenders" may to some extent reduce this damage, which is caused to much longer exposure to air than happens in a slowjuicer that crushes the food just once.
In some high-power blenders temperature could possibly play a role as well, but in general this will not be an issue.
The magnetical field may mostly be a bit stronger in a blender but as one does not need to feed food continously into an opening as with a slowjuicer, a large enough distance can be kept while it is running and a timer can be set to stop it.
I measured 7 milliGauss ( 700 (!) nanoTesla ) at 60 cm / 2 feet away from the 150 Watt Matson slowjuicer and 11 milliGauss at the same distance ( estimated from the electromotor ) from a 850 Watt blender ( that i took out of the trash in order to test it ), of course these are merely examples.
At the surface and there where the food goes the distance will be closer to 10 cm which ( if it does not go off-scale on the meter ) should according to my understanding show values of about 6x6x6 = +/- 200 times higher, so say 2 Gauss.
Actually in practice it will be more as the machines were running idle, without milling any food and applying force.
Blenders are unfit for the celery juice protocol introduced by Anthony William as these need some addition of water in order to run smoothly, as least this i am told.
I used neither juicers nor blenders ever before and prefer a handjuicer, it is more fun, makes no annoying noise and does not give a headache due to extreme magnetic fields.
If you're too lazy for handjuicing and do not mind the magnetical fields, an Omega twin-gear slowjuicer would be my suggestion, or if you can afford it, an "Angel Juicer", "the Rolls Royce in slow juice effiency" according to the manufacturer.
The latter deploys a three-stage extraction with increasing pressure and looks solid.
Regarding easy cleaning, this is always a hassle for sure, important is at any rate to do it immediately after juicing before remaining pulp dries up.
I've got an old Omega 8001 juicer, and I find the celery clogs up everything after about 10 ounces of juice, so I have to take it apart and clean it to continue. And it doesn't seem to help to first cut the celery into smaller pieces, or run the motor in reverse to unclog it.
On the Matson slowjuicer there is a reverse button, on one Angel Juicer as well and on the other models the unblocking goes automatically ( https://www.angeljuicers.eu/ ).
To my surprise Anthony William recommends the Tribest :
He uses words like : "It’s considered to be one of the very best ..." and "... bio-ceramic magnetic twin gears that are said to extract juice of higher nutritional content ..."
So this information does not arrive from his angel, which would certainly have promoted an Angel Juicer.
This only partly a joke, the issue raises my suspicion.
He states to act as a medium for a spirit that knows, not as a salesman that repeats human garbage talk.
These magnetic twin-gears are ( as i expect ) bound to damage raw food by its over the top extreme magnetic fields, not precisely like but similar to a micro-oven.
At the surface of a GL-2000 a strength of 21 Gauss has been measured, together from both the motor and the turning masticating twin-gears.
Of course right at the surface of the latter this alternating field should be enormous, and Tribest says so also :
"At the core of each rotating gear is a series of in-line magnets that produce a focused magnetic field of 2600 gauss through which the juice flows ...".
The rotation will result in a frequency, and any comparison with the general natural magnetic field of the earth, which is both static and much weaker, is unjustified.
The link in my previous message provides a lot of interesting information, like :
"The manufacturers… appear to have no scientific studies supporting their claims." ( we have seen this before, and while "science" is often mostly bogus, nevertheless wild claims originating from producers are not to be taken serious either of course ).
"Magnets were not introduced to improve the quality of juice at all. (...) Magnets with a mutually repulsive force were originally included to stop the gears sticking and clashing together."
It all sounds pretty bad from a variety of angles, and the Medical Medium promotes these machines based on common hearsay ( as he states himself ).
The question is why the hell would he, as a great medium, do that ?
This is a red flag, for me the second one.
The first one was his extensive list of "preferred supplements", which in general appear to be unnecessarily pricey.
I love his books ( the content, not the style ) but feel less inclined now to give the man the benefit of the doubt.
> To my surprise Anthony William recommends the Tribest :
I got the impression from another video (from DiscountJuicers.com) that Anthony William himself uses an Omega juicer. Perhaps something like the NC800/NC900.
Someone from the German forum said this one is a good one
Easy to clean, you can put the whole stem of the celery, no need to cut.
I don't know about magnetic fields, though.
But the whole process to extract the juice is pretty fast, so I wonder if the magnetic field of the refrigerator wouldn't be much more damaging than the juicer... (?).
I bought one in amazon.de
This one, that is okay, it still takes me time to clean.
But my friend who got this manual
said it was pretty easy to clean and assemble.
He then bought a more expensive one, electric, and disliked it - too hard to clean, so he's selling it and buying another horizontal one...
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Reasons for clogging up a juicer could be :
- a bad machine ( either by design or malfunction )
- a too tight exit hole ( usually adjustable )
- feeding it too fast
- a worn-out screen ( the rough metal curved plate with holes that cuts and filters )
When the screen gets clogged, reversing will not help, only cleaning does.
The screen is will loose its sharp teeth slowly, replacement may be a good idea once in a while, if possible.
It is likely the weakest link in a juicer.
This applies unfortunately also to a solid all stainless steel manual juicer.
Magnetic fields within a running fridge are something like 0.1 to 10 milliGauss depending on the distance to the motor at the bottom.
Not good, but nowhere comparable to the levels that food flowing through a Tribest Greenstar will be exposed to.
Another quote :
"As it flows through the focused field,the water molecules in the juice are broken up allowing the atoms to recombine with other minerals such as calcium, potassium, sodium and magnesium into new molecular structures."
This is probably mere sales talk but such strong magnetic fields have indeed crazy effects :
As the magnets in the Tribest rotate, this insanely powerful field will change in direction and have a frequency, becoming worse than an MRI ( apart from an additional RF-pulse : https://science.howstuffworks.com/mri4.htm )
"The bioceramic material inside the Twin Gears utilize the kinetic energy of the turning gears to emit far-infrared – the wavelength at which water and all organic material naturally oscillates."
Note the word "naturally" here, one wonders how many raw-food-believers will fall for the techno mumbo jumbo and destroy their fresh vegetables in a machine that is "considered" to be one of the very best.
In my "opinion" ( kidding here ) Anthony William should stay with an Angel juicer, which is likely still better than an Omega twin gear anyway, or simply use a hand-juicer.
p.s. just to clarify :
the twin-gear system appears solid and efficient.
the twin gears Omega TWN30/32 do not use magnets or bioceramic material.
horizontal masticating juicers are supposedly in general better at juicing leafy greens.
the Sana Juicer by Omega EUJ 707 is horizontal but not twin-gear, so likely a bit less efficient.
i expect more wet pulp to remain inside, and also the pulp that comes out to be a bit less dry.
the trick with a cheaper juicer is too feed the pulp again through the machine once or twice.
the exit opening should not be too tight to prevent both clogging and heavy wear and tear.
From what I've seen, the Omega Twin-Gear Model (TWN30) is poorly reviewed, with complaints of easily-breakable parts, design flaws, and difficulty in juicing carrots. The Omega NC800/NC900 single-auger models are generally better reviewed, and in particular people like how easy/fast it is to clean, and there don't appear to be any easily-breakable parts.
well, on the other hand there is a 15 year waranty, and reviews are often submitted by dumb and by tricky folks.
it is always a bit of a gamble.
stainless steel twin gears do sound more attractive to me than plastic single-augers.
whatever, a manual juicer without any magnetic and electrical fields may remain clearly preferable for lots of people visiting this forum.
i only tried one for juicing celery but that works wonderful.
I can see why Anthony William's "spirit" may have a hard time recommending a juicer, as everyone has their own priorities about what's important.... :-)
Anyway, my juicer that was getting clogged with celery just had a piece break, so I'm going to try a different model.
considering his language ( quoted above ) it is unlikely that an angel did guide him here.
and of course an angel would have known that an angel juicer is the best choice, period.
it would have been my pick too ( with less confidence ) if i wanted an electrical machine.
the main priority anthony william is talking about is our health, which is affected by emfs.
concerning the tribest and how it works, damage done to the food seems the worst effect.
Anthony keeps changing his recommended supplements, from times to times.
He's just a human, like you and me.
He never recommends any health device, for example. It's not his strength, I suppose?
Example: spirulina. He started recommending Hawaian spirulina, now he said he found one better...
And if you keep following his supplement list, there's always some change there - also because each thing he recommends usually sells out...
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well, actually i do not consider myself a human, or anything else.
anthony presents himself as a medium, and as medically unknowledgeable, relying solely on an angel.
on his "preferred" supplements page is stated :
"Anthony William, Inc. (“AWI”), is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com."
it would be merely one little step further to cut temporary ( non disclosed ) deals with producers of supplements.
and what about flirting with hollywood stars and the like ? isn't that disgusting ?
and what about promoting christian ideas ( quoting from the celery book on page 141 ) :
"It's our birthright and our God-given right to use the resources we have growing here and adjust them to fit our needs for survival here on Earth. Hybridization is a natural process ; we just help it along so it can provide more for our well-being."
This is all utter b.s. and arrogance, in the line of thought that the God humans created in their own image, created the world just for them to exploit to their liking.
And now they start to suffer from some consequences, a mighty angel loves to help out, so that "we" can conitinue to enjoy teslas, iphones, 5G and other great achievements that will end all suffering on this planet by making its surface resemble the landscape on its moon.
well, do not take the words "to fit our needs for survival here on Earth." too literally, because this psychopathological entitlement mentality does not appear to lead towards any survival of currently living species ( including "us" ), not to even mention any further evolution.
my "God" is not a fan of cultivation, and one may wonder what Ann Wigmore would feel about her followers juicing the grass of severely modified wheat, without even considering the possiblity that this detail is no part of her protocol.
on the topic of handjuicers ( again ), i aleady start to experience some clogging and reduced efficiency with mine, which happens to be a chinese product ( did foolishly no proper research before buying ), perhaps other models are fine, but this one may soon end up in a recycle bin for stainless steel.
i may try a BL-30 or look for a secondhand one from a period in which things were in general made to last for a long time.
I just purchased an Omega NC800 Juicer, and so far in my two first juicings it has not clogged on the celery, also I'm getting more juice out of a bunch than I was with my worn out Omega 8001 (as I suspect a lot was getting lost due to the clogging & cleaning out).
Thank you Marc, for your tip!!!!
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Earthworm, well people have to survive, and I find it nice that someone survives advertising natural foods and supplements and not chemical drugs, for example.
Anthony has on line courses for free, he has podcasts of 1 hour for free that he does almost every week, he basically now writes books and is trying to reach the mass through treating some stars.
You find that disgusting, I find he's doing his best to reach the masses.
How much is he earning from the supplements? I have no idea.
At least, I hope it pays part of the time he uses to do the podcasts.
He says radiation is one of the 4 MAIN problems of health - that we should be concerned with it as much as with infections, heavy metals and pesticides. It's in all his books.
He finds it funny that when cell phones appeared, everyone was concerned, and now, few are talking about it.
He's not christian. Not that I know. He never mentions that this god he talks about is christian.
Nor that the angels he talks about are from christian tradition.
I don't even think christians approve anything related to mediums....?!?
He said that a word has power in itself, and that the word IS the angel.
Whatever this means, don't ask me....
I mean, he talks about Angel of Disarmament, that disarms toxins in the food, for example.
This is pretty strange...
No christian would say that a word is an angel. Sounds too crazy....
But even Einstein believed in Spinoza's god, a sort of impersonal god, not the jewish or christian god.
Fortunately, there are people on this planet that are not like others... Some are mediums, some are shamans, some are sensitive to things that other people are not (like extreme sensitive to music, sounds, colors...).
He's not the first medium on this planet, nor the last. Edgar Cayce was a famous medium, people traveled from far to listen to him. He didn't even want to be a medium, but sort of was pushed to be one.
Had I not been so ill, I think this 'spirit' world would have been a parallel world to me. But it isn't.
I understand today people who communicate to animals or plants, just because of actual experience.
Even communicate with stuff like lakes, mountains, fountains, a bit in the fashion of the Greeks, with their gods.
In Japan, all these gods (the god of the toilet, god of the kitchen, god of the shoe, of the house entrance, of the door, of the trees, of rocks, etc), all these goods are still alive in popular belief.
don't think that a professor in Japan would not believe on these gods, because he DOES!!!
I lived there 7.5 years, studying in a university, learned Japanese and all.
It has nothing to do with the christian god, as Japanese are not christians, but a mix of Buddhist with shintoism, a sort of animist religion.
Both living in different countries and disease taught me that this world is much bigger than what we think it is. I don't believe in everything people say, but I know, from experience and my travels, that this world is not only what we see in a photo or video only.
One of the things I do is to treat people's energetic fields with my hands.
If I don't feel this field, I can't treat them, right?
The truth is that I do feel this field surrounding people, and that is not 'material' but not far from material. It's almost material, in a way. I can feel it really, like the air around the people are not the same, they have shapes, they are more compact in certain places, they feel dirty in another...
I can help people have less pain just massaging the field of the person, without touching the person. Or calm someone who is too anxious. Or make someone sleep deeper. Stuff like that.
Because it works, I believe what I feel is true.
I'm maybe a psychopathological person, I agree!
But who isn't?
Before I had all these experiences with the natural world, with plants, foods, people's fields, animals' fields, well, no one would have convinced me they could be true.
Before I lived in Japan and actually saw their relation to nature, to gods of nature, I would never believe this could be even possible.
I mean, god of toilet!?! They don't even laugh about that, they do take it seriously!!!
Cultures, people, beliefs are so varied, and not everyone has the same radio-antennas to feel these subtle differences around us, same way as not everyone is aware about electrosmog, not everyone falls so ill with it.
While the experience of suffering a physical disease with electrosmog is true to some, it is a psychopathological disease for the majority.
Parallel realities do exist - only when we actually have the experience, you start to believe.
I let my doors of belief open, because my perception of this world changed with the years due to own experience. What I know today, is not what I knew 10 years ago, 20, 30 years ago or 40 years ago.
We're all psychopathological beings, and that's what makes life interesting! My opinion!!!
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