Difficulty finding out if we're reacting to EMF or chemicals.

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slurpies
I'm going to try to succinct a very long story,

but my wife and I are moving onto an 11 acre plot of land.  I've been noticing the property makes me very sick, and it's the first time I've actually been able to notice outdoors bothering me.  Normally I'm bothered by anything chemical or mold related, but I've been unable to verify if I'm sensitive to EMF or not.

I bought the Cornet ED-78s last year, and the RF00, LF 30 and LF 600 levels all are at the lowest levels they can read.  

There is no industry for 15+ miles, it's a very rural piece of property, there is a cell tower 0.4 miles away (Alltel), there is nothing that creates pollutants that I can see, there is a soybean crop and a pond directly next to the property.  

So... is there another type of EMF that could be making us ill that the Cornet isn't capable of reading?

I start reacting within seconds of being at the property, my mind goes blank, can't even add simple numbers, later my face will burn and appear mildly sunburnt, my digestion will start failing, my breathing will start going into apnea and my oxygen levels drop... tons more symptoms as well...

But we're at a loss.  I can't imagine what toxin could be outdoors, and at such a strong level that it causes me to react within seconds, but... what do I know.

Thanks for your help in advance.

Zac & Sarah
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Plop Plop
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Might it have been used as an illegal dumping ground for some thing?  It may be pesticide. Some times they get the mix wrong. Can you get a soil sample analysed? When you bought it did they have to give any surveys or guarantees?  It sound pretty serious.  If you look in Spectrum Analyzers? by Romana I tell you how to make a cheap spectrum analyser but it is slow but very specific to frequencies like TETRA.

My Cornet says nothing and I am still ill because I am more sensitive than it is.  I like my Tenmars-195 but the project above is more sensitive cheaper and more specific.  Try EMR shielding. If it works its EMR. If not its something else. Simples. I have found proper thick Ali bubble wrap very protecting. I have a sack to sleep in during EMR storms. They cost very little to make. They stop all radio and MWs.
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Marc Martin
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Might be ground current?  Geopathic stress?  Underground streams?

Not too familiar with these, but you do hear some of these mentioned from time to time, as reasons people avoided certain places, even before EMF.

Marc
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sailplane
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Any sound from the ED78S with the sound on? 0.4 miles is too close, I am surprised you are saying it's not picking up anything. Maybe it's broken? What is RF00?

Symptoms you are describing sound to me like RF.  You can get a ESmog Spion from eBay but it's expensive, it finds things that Cornet does not.

Or just hire somebody.. I'd be testing into the 0-20GHZ range to be sure, which is not easily tested unless you spend a lot of $$ on equipment, but pros would have the equipment.

Also I'd get a geiger counter and run it for a few days continuously to make sure there is no radiation coming out of the soil or blowing toward you from who knows where...
You could have high radon also, but the geiger will catch that too.

If that was farmland, then it was sprayed with chemicals for sure.. so that could be it as well, the pesticides they use are very bad. If you feel like that on every corner of the land, then the cell tower can be eliminated as the cause and it means it's very likely the soil making you sick. Also, since you don't have this happen elsewhere, it further makes me think it's not the tower and more to do with the soil or gasses coming out of the soil..

If you want to test EMF sensitivity, you can go stand next to a cell tower 100-600ft is good, for 30min-1hour..
Can you stand there an hour with no problems? Can you sleep that night properly?..
That's the most noticeable/easy test in my opinion.. although if you really are EMF sensitive, it might take a few days to recover.  I've done this "test" unknowingly, and it's not fun.
But, you will know just how sensitive you are, at least to cellular frequencies.

Maybe go on your property and make a video of the ED78 with sound turned on so we can see your level and hear it. You can have a very low level, like 0.0200 and have problems.. these meters are more reliable by noise than number displayed.
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Jinna
I think people above gave you some good hints.

Another hint is chemtrails, full of aluminum, barium, strontium. Full, dr. Klinghardt is showing analysis of heavy metals of his patients recently, and he finds these 3 metals in extreme high concentration in most people.

where are they coming? He sent soil and water analysis to some labs and they do find high amounts of such heavy metals in many places. How did they get there?

There are a few PubMed papers on chemtrails. It's not anymore 'conspiration theory' or whatever imagined story.

Breathing them = they go directly to the brain.

Have you also looked into glyphosate + Dicamba? Dicamba is said to be easily spread through air, and kill most plants in the neighboring areas. In the US, some farmers are suing neighbors due to Dicamba (another very potent herbicide).

One study said that it can be up to 400 times more toxic to plants than Round Up (glyphosate), that already cause a lot of damage.

I think Dicamba is something like Agent Orange + Glyphosate...

I was thinking that your reaction is way too fast, so it looks like poisoning (extreme allergy / intolerance to substances like I mention above) or something more electrical (but a strong Esmog, like others suggest).

In my experience, once your body gets to know the harm of a certain frequency (a certain car e-smog, your bedroom e-smog, your computer e-smog, whatever your body got used to), the reaction may happen very fast.

New E-smog frequencies can take time for the body to feel sick, but I react very fast to frequencies  my body recognizes as harmful.
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Jinna
Yep, that's it: Dicamba is Agent Orange + glyphosate !



http://www.panna.org/blog/new-pesticides-same-monsanto-story
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Dicamba is not the only outdated, clearly harmful chemical to get a green light from EPA this winter.

In an 11th hour decision under the Obama Administration, the agency expanded use of Dow’s controversial herbicide cocktail Enlist Duo — a combination of 2,4-D and glyphosate — for application on the corporation's corresponding GE corn and soy. While previously only approved in a select number of states, the January announcement extended use on these crops to an additional 19 states, while also adding approval of use for Dow’s GE cotton.

Since originally being used as an ingredient in Agent Orange, scientists have collected extensive research on 2,4-D’s numerous health impacts — including links to multiple cancers, interference with fetal and child development, and reduced fertility.

Because of the clear body of science showing health harms, and 2,4-D’s propensity to drift from fields to nearby communities, public outcry has been strong and steady since Dow first petitioned EPA to approve its Enlist Duo formulation.

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slurpies
I just wanted to say thanks everybody, for responding.  I didn't mean to be so late in replying, but I have such a hard time remembering what I've even done moment to moment.

These are a lot of good suggestions on what to test for.

I've not yet heard of TETRA, so that's very interesting.  I'm going to have to check into it for sure.

The land has been family land since the 70's, so we are safe from it being a dump site.
I don't know if I mentioned this, but the crop lands drain directly into our pond.

I've read online about a substance called Cyanobacteria that can happen when blue-green algae meets fertilizer, and how it's becoming a nationwide health problem.

I honestly can't tell if this is chemical related or EMF / RF / Tetra.  My wife has fallen ill too.

Currently we're making payments on a house we have had to run away from, and if we have to leave it for good, I can accept that... but I just want to know *what* we're running from so that we don't make the same mistake on and on.

We ran a water test for pesticides... they tested for 12-15 pesticides or so... but no glyphosate... How strange.  I called the state and they said you have to specifically request it.  I thought that odd for the most commonly used pesticide.

We did get a radon detector also, it ran for 24+ hours, and our level was very very low.  Like 0.010.

I'm going to make a video with the Cornet sound mode and get back to you guys with that.

The cell tower is deep into someone else's property, so I don't know how long I can stay around it

This last few weeks I stayed there, I actually started losing my hearing and the ability to clearly understand speech, with a loud constant roaring in my ears.  We've been away 4.5 days now and it's slowly coming back.  My wife nearly fainted in college the other day it was making her so ill.

"In my experience, once your body gets to know the harm of a certain frequency (a certain car e-smog, your bedroom e-smog, your computer e-smog, whatever your body got used to), the reaction may happen very fast.

New E-smog frequencies can take time for the body to feel sick, but I react very fast to frequencies  my body recognizes as harmful. "

^ I'm finding this quote to be very, very true with my reactions... whatever they're to.  

Thanks again guys, hopefully we'll figure out something.
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Merializer
as seen in my Tetra video, my Cornet shows very low readings while the Esmog Spion shows very high readings in the same area. I'm not saying that is the case at your place, but it is possible that there is nasty radiation were you measured little. Now that you only have a cornet, use it to it's full potential. listen to the sound function. Sometimes the numbers are low but there is nasty screeching. Still, it is no guarantee.
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Jinna
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Sorry to hear you are having a hard time (you and your wife).

It does sound to me like esmog, because you reacted to the cell antenna so badly, and your wife reacts to the university environment (probably very full of wifis and other pollutants).

As for chemical sensitivities, it is CONNECTED to the electrosmog problem too. The reason is easy to understand: esmog frequencies damage most proteins in the body. This has been studied by a Greek University, I posted about it some time ago.

Proteins are THE building lego blocks of life. 2/3 of proteins analyzed were permanently DAMAGED by normal electrosmog in the lab. It includes many enzymes (which are formed by proteins).

No enzymes = slower digestion, slower immune system, hormones are also made by proteins and are also damaged, slower detox, slower cognitive abilities, bad sleep quality (as melatonin is affected).

I'm reading a book called Biological Medicine, by a Swiss dr called Rau. He said that one institute did a research on the amount of melatonin produced during sleep in a disturbed environment (with normal levels of esmog found in most houses):

-  the levels of melatonin in the night dropped to to 90% lower than in clean esmog conditions.

If you understand what melatonin does, you'll see that this single point is already a reason for a whole health collapse: melatonin is greatly responsible to allow us to sleep profoundly and have a regenerative sleep.

But not only that: it is THE main 'substance' that detoxes the BRAIN.
Doctors used to think it was glutathione from the liver. No, melatonin is much more powerful as a detoxing agent than glutathione!!

And it is closely linked to the immune system. So lack of melatonin for a couple of weeks can lead easily to allergies, intolerance, chemical sensitivity, immune problems, infections, fatigue, lack of concentration, etc.

So only this single problem called 'lack of melatonin' can lead to multiple allergies and sensitivities.

So yes, unfortunately, you could be reacting to both electrosmog AND some chemical sensitivity.

Look into MOLD toxins. Many people ignore both Esmog and mold toxins: both are invisible, but cause CONSIDERABLE harm to the body.

most e-sensitive people react badly to mold due to lower detox abilities caused by lower enzymatic activity. That is at least, how I understand the whole problem...

another reason to look into mold: Dr Klinghardt saw a study done here in Switzerland, that showed that mold, when exposed to normal levels of esmog (computer, cell phone etc) will produce 600 times MORE toxins than in esmog clean enviroment.

this is probably because the mold feels 'attacked' by esmog and then will produce more spores (that are HIGHLY allergenic).  They want to guarantee better survival chances when they feel 'under attack', the same way that trees attacked by pollution in big cities will CLEARLY produce more pollen to guarantee their survival.


Symptoms of mold allergy are usually neurological, linked to lack of concentration, etc.

It's not only sneezing, like most people would think.

So the question is not exactly 'which thing is making us ill, esmog OR chemicals', if you see what I mean...

The problem comes often together.
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earthworm
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"but I just want to know *what* we're running from so that we don't make the same mistake on and on."
That is an intelligent approach.
It could be a good idea to test the ground a bit by renting before buying if possible or at least renting nearby and/or visit the house or garden beforehand more than just once and for longer periods.
Did previous owners get sick also ?

As Marc mentioned, geopathic stress could be a factor too, or even the only one here.
http://www.helios3.com/geopathic-stress.html
Ignore the commercial and dubious part of the website and scroll down to :
"GEOPATHIC STRESS by Richard Creightmore (with kind permission from the author)"
That kind permission may not be given to the website ( that tries to sell a "harmoniser" ) except for in these words at the bottom of the text :
"2007, Reproduction of this article on geopathic stress in whole or in part, is expressly encouraged"

It is impossible to test all possible causes, because these are of course not all known and measuring devices are limitated anyway.
Although it is unlucky that you picked that house, at least it is clear that is unhabitable, an unnoticed burden can be worse longterm.
And it makes aware that the healthiness of a place can vary a lot, wether the causes are evident or not.
This realization is of course pretty essential when looking for a home in order to survive and thrive easily.
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Jinna
http://www.clearenergyhomes.com/did-you-know-albert-einstein-was-a-geomancer/

There are companies or people who can dowse to check for the Hartmann or Curry grids...

https://www.gaia-legacy.ch/the-geomantic-lines/


Einstein seemed to be a dowser himself!

These are not scientific accepted, but I saw an architect friend drawing these lines on one room's plan, then on another, and only in the end, he connected the plans together and they astonishingly matched!

He must have been a magician to have done that so neatly, but he simply drew the lines where the rod indicated (he used metal rods).

Usually, healthy people barely feel these grid problems, unless there are water (currents) or other stronger radiation problems (crack) from the ground.
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Romana
I don't know what the policies are where you reside, but maybe you can get help from the authorithes or  municipality in checking things out. Especially mold outside or toxins from neighbours or dumped toxins. Or borrow a professional to take good and solid measurements of EMF. You may also try to wrap yourself into shielding fabric/mesh and see if that helps.
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elihme
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slurpies wrote
We ran a water test for pesticides... they tested for 12-15 pesticides or so... but no glyphosate... How strange.  I called the state and they said you have to specifically request it.  I thought that odd for the most commonly used pesticide.
What about heavy metals? Copper plumbing?
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sourdoe83
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All those things you get there I get from mostly the ES side, but different toxins can make my face feel somewhat burning but you can't tell on the outside. Like say if I'm in the worst room ever ES wise, first thing that happens is my mind also goes blank and I get anxiety and mild confusion and then I get the tension and digestive problems right after that sets in. Usually chemical based reactions alone will give me just some hot face and swollen neck and it's more rare that any extremely noticeable mental effects come into play even if they are there, that's stayed static no matter how bad it was with chemical based reactions alone.
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ED.vs.EMR
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Re: TETRA for slurpies:

FYI:  Barrie Trower, PhD, in the UK, former MWR weapons expert for the British Royal Navy during the Cold War era, & whom I'm sure this forum is familiar, has many interviews at YouTube.

In one or more of his interviews that I heard, he mentioned that links to his 5-written-reports were at an Irish radio site here:

Here's his two re TETRA:

1) Tetra: June 2009 (PDF 6.9MB):

2) Tetra (PDF 181KB):

•Trower is "old school" & in his 70's now, & does not use computers, email, cellphones, etc.  
•He does share his home address & phone & corresponds with any inquirers via handwritten snail mail or by phone.
•He has said he gets about 10 calls a day from around the world, many of them mothers re their children being made ill from school wifi, etc.
•He came out of retirement when he heard they were putting MWR (WiFi) in schools.
•He has traveled to 27 countries on his own dime lecturing re MWR dangers.  
•He has "repeatedly assisted the UK Police Federation in their struggle to protect police officers from Tetra/Air-Band radio- communications systems that are harmful to health."
•Says he's received 3 death threats, 2 from govt. officials but refuses to hide his identity & his contact info.
•He's a super nice, polite "prim & proper" English gentleman, a pleasure to listen to him talk.

BRIEF BIO:  DR. BARRIE TROWER:
•Retired Microwave Radiation Weapons expert.
•British Royal Navy, Secret Service.
•Former Cold War captured-spy debriefer for the UK Intelligence Services. 
•First degree in Physics – University of Exeter.
•Second degree (research) with honours – Council for National Academics Awards.
•Teaching diploma in Human Physiology.
•Lectured (before retirement) in Advanced Physics at South Dartmoor College.
•Trained at the Government’s microwave warfare establishment for the Royal Navy.
•Worked with the R.N. underwater bomb-disposal unit, which involved the training in microwave warfare. 
•Served in conflicts in Borneo, Aden and the British West Indies.
•Was a teacher at the Country’s top secure unit, which housed spies – and a part of his brief was to obtain information on matters relating to his knowledge, i.e. microwaves.
•He is the author of the TETRA Report for the Police Federation of England & Wales.
Biographies Airwaves/TETRA Conference 23rd October 2002 Police Federation of England & Wales.

BIO in Trower's own words:
[...]
•"I trained at the Government's Microwave Warfare establishment in the 60's. I worked with the underwater bomb disposal unit, which used microwaves.  In the 70's I helped de-brief spies trained in microwave warfare.
•"My first degree is in Physics (I specialised in microwaves).  My second degree is a research degree.  I have a teaching diploma in human physiology.  I teach advanced physics and mathematics at South Dartmoor College.
•"Author of the Tetra Report for the Police Federation, I predicted the illnesses which the officers now complain of.  I predicted the illnesses the residents now complain of.  These are illnesses that occurred before my report was published and cannot be psychosomatic.
•"At a conference in Birmingham I said: 'This Government, Industry and Government Scientists will be responsible for more deaths (of civilians) in peace time than all the terrorist organizations ever.' The evidence I have is showing this is correct. I put my money where my mouth is and stand my ground.  It is easy to prove TETRA is not safe."
[...]
"...I spent eleven years questioning captured spies; one of my particular tasks was to learn the particular frequencies of microwaves that they used on which particular victims, if I may use that word, and what the outcome was, and I built up a dossier.  I'm probably the only person in the world with the complete list.  I built up a dossier of what pulse frequencies of microwaves will cause what psychological or physiological damage to a person."
[...]
"....the dangers of low level, below thermal microwaves, have been known to governments for 50 years. I was educated in microwave technology by the Military (United Kingdom) in the early 1960's, and even then we were instructed of these dangers. Nothing has changed to suddenly make microwaves safe."
•"I have been refused permission to have a face-to-face meeting with my MP, Mr Mel Stride. Hence my Member of Parliament has successfully brought the ‘shutters down’ on any access I may have had to Government. This act by Mr. Stride became a ‘feature’ in our West Country newspaper by leading Journalist Paul James. During my last attempt to contact my MP, his Secretary, Dominic just hung-up the telephone on me."
•"Years ago, when I started to ‘advise caution’ re microwaving children / pregnant women, the Academic Registrar of my own University (Exeter) forbade me from ever communicating with it, ever again. A similar message came from Dr. Jamie Harle of the Open University (Medical Physics), who said: 'Your work is too political.'"

HTH!
Electrician's Daughter
(EDvsEMR for short)
--South USA
--Newbie poster though I have been reading this forum for a few years. :)

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On Mar 30, 2018, at 4:57 PM, "slurpies [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I've not yet heard of TETRA, so that's very interesting.  I'm going to have to check into it for sure. 
[...]
I honestly can't tell if this is chemical related or EMF / RF / Tetra.  My wife has fallen ill too. 
[...]
The cell tower is deep into someone else's property, so I don't know how long I can stay around it 
[...]

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