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sailplane
After long computer usage my cheeks become red and burn. I've been trying to figure a solution for years now.

Only found partial relief by reducing blue light with f.lux, reducing brightness and wearing sunscreen.  I also wrapped the laptop in tinfoil as much as possible and use SSD to reduce magnetic field. Got a grounded adapter for it as well.  The V/m field was quite high without ground. My router is inducing E fields in the CAT5 cable that plugs in the laptop.
I only use it with Wifi off. If the Wifi is on, the burning is more severe.

I don't know if it's worth getting a grounded router now that the laptop is grounded. The gauss/electric meter(ME3830B) shows the fields are very low, but the burning still happens.

Any ideas what else I could try are appreciated. My job requires 7+ hours a day in front of the computer.
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Marc Martin
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> After long computer usage my cheeks become red and burn. I've been trying to
> figure a solution for years now.

I used to have that problem, but do not now.

Certainly if it's a nasty piece of electronics, the best solution is to find one that isn't so nasty.

That said, I have found relief from a variety of things:

-- EMF protection devices from QuantumProducts.com (e.g. Quantum Power Conditioner, Quantum Pro, Quantum Byte software, Quantum Companion portable)

- Antioxidant/alkalizing supplement Megahydrate

- Shower / wash face with bar soap from Dead Sea Warehouse

- Switch shaving creams (if you're a man and using shaving creams!) -- I'm now using Dermalogica Close Shave Oil

- Evening primrose oil supplements (I'm not taking these now, but I recall them once helping)

So that's what I've found... based on 16 years of trial and error!

Marc
 
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Marc Martin
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Oh, and removing all metal around your face might help... including removing metal dental work, eyeglasses that contain any metal, etc.

Marc
 
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sailplane
Ok, Thanks. I just use an electric shaver so I don't need to use any cream.

I did find that washing my face often helps a lot with any soap bar really.
I'm surprised those Quantum things really helped.
Good news is you're ok now, so there's hope!
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BruceM
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If these type of products work for you, I suggest pursuing Hopper's limbic retraining.  They don't change the EMFs measureable from the equipment, and there is no scientific or medical basis for them outside of the obvious placebo effect,

It is easy to mis-attribute benefits when not testing things blindly, or when doing a lot of things at once.
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Marc Martin
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> If these type of products work for you, I suggest pursuing Hopper's limbic
> retraining.  They don't change the EMFs measureable from the equipment, and
> there is no scientific or medical basis for them outside of the obvious
> placebo effect,

I've seen independent testing that shows increased signal-to-noise ratio when using these products, so it's not placebo effect.  It's definitely not a "cure", but rather an attenuation of noise that makes the localized environment more tolerable for me.

Also, I've had plenty of opportunities where things weren't as I thought they were, and my symptoms always matched the reality, not my belief of what products I was and wasn't using at the time.

But you're free to believe they don't work... I and others know differently, however...

Also, I don't make such statements for all EMF protection devices on the market... quite the opposite, many that I've tried do nothing or make things worse.

Marc
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sailplane
Is there a trial version of the Quantum Byte software?
Nothing to lose by giving it a try.. but I can't find it anywhere.
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BruceM
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The "improved signal to noise ratio" scam has been used to pitch all kinds of bogus equipment for the the last 50 years. It is the prattle of frauds and incompetents.

You cannot change the emissions of a device with quantum magic after the components and boards have been built. Nor can you change the emissions of a computer by running some program in the background. You should educate yourself in the well established engineering field of EMC instead of promoting magical devices to disabled people, many of whom are very ill and in dire straits financially.

Lastly, this particular company is so blatantly bogus as to make me wonder if you have a financial connection to promote them.
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Marc Martin
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> Is there a trial version of the Quantum Byte software?
> Nothing to lose by giving it a try.. but I can't find it anywhere.

In the past, there has been a free trial available for the Quantum Byte software (Windows and Mac), but looking at their website, it looks like they're working on a new version and the free trial is offline.  You might want to contact Margi Wilson at "[hidden email]" and see if you can get a free trial version from somewhere.

I recall having a rather extreme initial reaction to the software, so my recommendation is that if you can get the free trial and you notice no difference at all, then probably don't bother buying the hardware they sell, because this stuff does not work for everyone (as people have different health conditions causing their sensitivities, and are sensitive to different things).  However, if it does help, then you could try the cheapest items (like the $30 plug-in conditioners).  At work, I use the Quantum Pro, which is expensive but keeps the paychecks coming in.  :-)

This sort of technology is also used in some high end audiophile / videophile products from a few different companies, and is also controversial there, with some people insisting that it's snake oil and others saying it definitely works (although a fair percentage of the snake oil people have never even tried it, they seem to judge products based on website descriptions).

Marc
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Marc Martin
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I make a lot of money in the aerospace / military sector, so I have no need to have a financial interest in EMF protection devices.  :-)  The only reason you have this forum here in the first place is because I was able to recover enough to run it.    As I was once one of those disabled people.

You obviously have no firsthand experience with this product line.

Marc
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Marc Martin
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I should point out that I have no financial interest in anything.  All of my recommendations come from first hand experience, or the experience of others on these sorts of groups.  This particular product line had been discussed in the past on this forum, and anyone can use the "search" function to read about various people's successes and failures.

Also, I listed several other different potential solutions to the burning face question, so one is free to ignore any suggestions that someone is uncomfortable with.

Marc
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Marc Martin
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> You should educate yourself in the well established engineering field of EMC

I used to sit next to an EMC engineer at work... he was clueless about electrical sensitivity, didn't even believe there was such a thing.  Generally, the best advice you get on how to overcome electrical sensitivity is from those who have had some success with doing that themselves.

Marc
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BruceM
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EMC is the field that defines emissions, their measurement, and how to shield, filter, and/or mitigate them by design. Mystical quantum/tachyon/holographic effects are not involved.  EMC is an engineering field and has nothing to do with human health.  But if you have ES learning about it can help you cope and stop being fleeced by your own ignorance about EMFs.  

It's unreasonable to expect most electrical engineers to believe in ES when they feel nothing from EMFs of all sorts themselves, and the condition is not widely medically accepted. That hardly discredits this field of hard science and engineering.

But when serious people do look at ES, and see the promotion of quantum pseudoscience as an effective aid, it discredits us, because these products are clearly fraud to any serious student of EMC, and the profiting promoters are charlatans.




 





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Marc Martin
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> But when serious people do look at ES, and see the promotion of quantum
> pseudoscience as an effective aid, it discredits us, because these products
> are clearly fraud to any serious student of EMC, and the profiting promoters
> are charlatans.

It's obvious that you have no proof that these products are frauds, otherwise you would present some.   Instead, you choose to ignore the overwhelming evidence amongst the ES community that some of these products are indeed very helpful.  

So your opinions are about as valuable as those who believe that ES itself is nonsense.

Marc
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Marc Martin
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> EMC is the field that defines emissions, their measurement, and how to
> shield, filter, and/or mitigate them by design. Mystical
> quantum/tachyon/holographic effects are not involved.  

Of course, any progress in any field would initially be viewed as mystical / magical by those who cling to the past.  In 500 years, people will find our current level of knowledge on this topic laughable.  And I'm sure you've heard the quote from Arthur C. Clarke:  "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Also, there are other companies offering similar technology that make no health claims whatsoever. These come from the audio/video industry.  So you are evidently also calling these products all scams, even though you will find plenty of reviews that say that  they do exactly what they say they do.

For example...

Nordost QRT Power Products:
  http://nordost.com/qrt/qrt-power-products.php

Russ Andrews Clarity Conditioners:
  http://www.russandrews.com/us/clarity-conditioners/

Kemp Electronics Quantum Approach Plug:
  http://www.kempelektroniks.nl/en/223/kemp-elektroniks/products/shunt-conditioners/qa-plug

I realize that it's easy to just say that these are all scams... determining the truth requires a bit more effort.  :-)

Marc
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BruceM
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The high end audio electronics market is in fact a classic example of marketing psuedoscience to the technically naive.  They have typically misapplied high frequency transmission line characteristics to audio frequency and market this as being advanced technology.  The more people spend on their gold plated, square core "quantum cables", the more they will believe they can hear the difference. It's harmless because someone is just spending money on their high end audio system.

To publically state that this validates quantumproducts for a newly emerging medical condition (ES) is astounding.

I don't know if you are profiting from quantumproducts, but it is NOT OK to promote this garbage to the ES disabled, many of whom are poor, ill, cognitively impaired, and desperate.









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Marc Martin
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> I don't know if you are profiting from quantumproducts, but it is NOT OK to
> promote this garbage to the ES disabled, many of whom are poor, ill,
> cognitively impaired, and desperate.

Again, your opinion.  With nothing to back it up, and lots of past discussions that disagree with you.

And again, no profiting here.  I pay to keep this forum going, so I only lose money on this (and then I get people like you insinuating that I'm profiting from it... great).

Marc
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And frankly, of the list of suggestions I provided, I actually think the Megahydrate supplement actually stands a better chance of helping with the burning face symptoms.  As I recall one person on Facebook who tried the Quantum Products and it didn't help at all with their workplace symptoms, but the Megahydrate did.  The drawback with this is that it's expensive, and that expense continues as long as you take it.  Although if it makes a difference between remaining employed or not, then it's worth it.
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steve
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I bought a Furman Surge/line conditioner based on Marc's recommendation and the improvement in audio quality from my TV/VCR hookup was remarkable.
I use headphones and all of a sudden I was hearing things in 3D, at times I jumped because I thought someone was behind me and these are low end headphones.

Some things work, some things don't. That's why we're here, and Marc never goes out of his way to recommend something unless it comes up in a topic so you're jumping all over him for 'promoting' things is out of line, IMO
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Marc Martin
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I think you had better luck with that Furman power strip (PST-8 or PST-10) than I did!  Although I still am using two of them in my house...

Marc
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