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sailplane
Just wondering how many people have tried boron?.. 6-10mg?

I found that boron keeps cal/mag in the body.
https://www.drstevenlin.com/boron-benefits/

I also know when I was being affected by nnEMFs I was losing a lot of cal/mag because I could set it in my urine. When I'd take a cal/mag supplement, it always came right out, but there was always some coming out. Doctor said test was fine.. but I doubt they checked for minerals coming out of me. So that leads me to believe that it's possibly boron missing that let this happen.
I've been trying it, and it seems to help.. but I'm also taking zeolite at the same time.

Just wondering if anyone else is taking it daily??


Have you considered boron as a nutrient for healthier teeth and bones? It may be a great natural way to strengthen your teeth and prevent tooth decay.
The connection between healthy strong teeth, gums, and rest of the body is the first thing I discuss with patients. One thing I always try and help people understand, the way your feed your body, is what it uses to make strong bones and teeth.

Boron is a nutrient you may never have considered to prevent tooth decay naturally.

Who doesn’t want healthy bones and joints for the rest of their life? What about better nutrient absorption and improved hormone balance? That sounds good too right? All of these and more are benefits of the mineral boron.

Though it gets little attention, boron is essential to the human body through a variety of supporting functions. Boron also reduces inflammation and oxidative stress – two things anyone trying to stay healthy should care about.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4712861/
Nothing Boring About Boron

(1) is essential for the growth and maintenance of bone;
(2) greatly improves wound healing; 
(3) beneficially impacts the body’s use of estrogen, testosterone, and vitamin D;
(4) boosts magnesium absorption;
(5) reduces levels of inflammatory biomarkers, such as high-sensitivity C-reactive protein (hs-CRP) and tumor necrosis factor α (TNF-α);
(6) raises levels of antioxidant enzymes, such as superoxide dismutase (SOD), catalase, and glutathione peroxidase; 
(7) protects against pesticide-induced oxidative stress and heavy-metal toxicity;
(8) improves the brains electrical activity, cognitive performance, and short-term memory for elders;
(9) influences the formation and activity of key biomolecules, such as S-adenosyl methionine (SAM-e) and nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD+);
(10) has demonstrated preventive and therapeutic effects in a number of cancers, such as prostate, cervical, and lung cancers, and multiple and non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma; and
(11) may help ameliorate the adverse effects of traditional chemotherapeutic agents.

In none of the numerous studies conducted to date, however, do boron’s beneficial effects appear at intakes > 3 mg/d. No estimated average requirements (EARs) or dietary reference intakes (DRIs) have been set for boron—only an upper intake level (UL) of 20 mg/d for individuals aged ≥ 18 y. The absence of studies showing harm in conjunction with the substantial number of articles showing benefits support the consideration of boron supplementation of 3 mg/d for any individual who is consuming a diet lacking in fruits and vegetables or who is at risk for or has osteopenia; osteoporosis; osteoarthritis (OA); or breast, prostate, or lung cancer.

How does boron exert its hormonal effects? In sum, boron increases the biological half-life and bioavailability of E2 and vitamin D.

Magnesium Absorption

Boron significantly improves magnesium absorption and deposition in bone, yet another beneficial effect of boron’s inhibition of 17β-estradiol degradation. Thus, boron is a factor in magnesium’s myriad beneficial effects. Magnesium’s importance, in bone alone, is illustrative of the widespread ramifications of boron insufficiency.

Anti-inflammatory Effects
A number of papers have indicated that boron reduces levels of inflammatory biomarkers.20,36,37 In a recent human trial involving healthy male volunteers (n = 8), a significant increase in concentrations of plasma boron occurred 6 hours after supplementation with 11.6 mg of boron, coupled with significant decreases in levels of hs-CRP and TNF-α. One week of boron supplementation 10 mg/d resulted in a 20% decrease in the plasma concentration of TNF-α, from 12.32 to 9.97 pg/mL, and in remarkable decreases (approximately 50%) in plasma concentration of hs-CRP, from 1460 to 795 ng/mL, and of IL-6, from 1.55 to 0.87 pg/mL.

Heavy-metal Toxicity
The effectiveness of some boron compounds—boric acid, borax, colemanite, and ulexite—on the genotoxicity induced by heavy metals—arsenic trioxide, colloidal bismuth subcitrate, cadmium chloride, mercury chloride, and lead chloride—was assessed in human blood cultures.71 Sister chromatid exchange (SCE) and micronuclei (MN) assays were performed to establish DNA damage in lymphocytes, and oxidative stress was evaluated by estimating the changes in the main, antioxidant, enzyme activities and in the levels of total glutathione in erythrocytes. Heavy-metal treatments increased the frequency of both SCE and MN and the plasma levels of malondialdehyde, a marker of oxidative stress, and decreased the antioxidant enzyme activities and the level of total glutathione compared to controls. All boron-tested compounds (5–20 ppm) significantly reduced all genotoxic effects that were induced by low doses of heavy metals.
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Jinna
I also have heard about it, and then the fad of Borax ingestion...

There are a few brave drs preaching for boron, but the amount they suggest are not found in normal supplements.

The amount in supplements is so low, that they say, you may see no improvements.

As I don't usually react well to supplements, I did not go into the boron-craze, trying to find a safe source to ingest greater amounts...

Have you found a safe source with higher concentrations?

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Jinna wrote
I also have heard about it, and then the fad of Borax ingestion...

There are a few brave drs preaching for boron, but the amount they suggest are not found in normal supplements.

The amount in supplements is so low, that they say, you may see no improvements.

As I don't usually react well to supplements, I did not go into the boron-craze, trying to find a safe source to ingest greater amounts...

Have you found a safe source with higher concentrations?
Well that scientific article suggests that you don't need too much. Even with 10mg there have been notable improvements in the studies.
I just bought it from health food store. I think it's illegal to put more than 3mg in one pill. The guy there said some people take 3 a day if they want more and it's common to do that.  So I take 2-3 a day.

It's a solid pill form, which I don't like too much but I don't have any problems from it like I have had from other stuff. I chew it, it tastes almost sweet. I'm seeing that I can take cal/mag without it coming straight out of me as it usually does, which is already quite impressive. I think I notice EMF less also, but it could be coincidence because I'm only taking it for a week.. I also take Iodine daily, zeolite, and zinc/iron.. Each one improves the situation a little.. I'm hoping boron will be the final piece of the puzzle. I long had issues with my teeth not being strong and cal/mag absorption..
Given how EMF affects calcium channels.. perhaps boron can prevent that effect.

What I find amazing is, if these supplements are making a notable difference.. what the heck is in my food? ... I buy more expensive organic food.. so technically I should be having plenty of nutrients I would think..  Maybe soil is boron depleted?

https://vitamindwiki.com/Boron+is+probably+important+to+human+health+%E2%80%93+2003#BORON_DEFICIENCY
Boron deficiency symptoms have been seen in rats, chickens, and humans.24 Boron deprivation in animals leads to impaired growth and abnormal bone development.7 Deprivation in humans and animals causes increased urinary calcium excretion


Results from human studies have also shown that dietary boron may be useful in preventing osteoporosis. When 12 postmenopausal women consumed a low boron diet for 17 weeks, then took a daily supplement of 3 mg of boron for 7 more weeks, serum electrolyte concentration and steroid hormone balance both changed.4 Within 8 days of beginning the boron supplement action, urinary calcium and urinary magnesium excretion decreased by 40% and 33%, respectively.4 Calcium and magnesium losses were lower after taking the supplement than before the study. These findings are significant, because calcium and magnesium are necessary elements for maximum bone health
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I've tried it, and I also think it helps. I even consumed so much that when I did a hair analysis, boron showed up there as high. Bare in mind I also suffer from CFS/ME, and I think nutrients simply do not end up in my cells properly (might be an issue caused by EMFs also).

Have the same problem with teeth as you seem to have also.

I also did the Borax drinking test, and in fact I think that worked even better than just plain boron. Borax is not exactly the same as just plain boron, even though in the end it supplies extra boron to the body.

Walter Last has written about Borax here, which I think might have been what started it all:
http://www.health-science-spirit.com/borax.htm

I stopped consuming Borax because it's not so easy to obtain where I live, and if you do find some it's usually been sitting somewhere among the laundry detergent section of a warehouse or store, and it's all infused with wonderfully smelly detergent chemicals. No thanks. Now I just take boron capsules instead.

However in the end neither boron nor Borax have given any long-term relief. It just helps a little bit. Part of some bigger puzzle.

As for something being wrong with our modern food, I fully agree. I once tasted an organic mango that my mother brought home from a trip to Thailand. I've lived on this planet for soon 50 years, and I've never tasted anything like it before, nor since. It was like an atomic bomb in my mouth. Made me realize that what we're eating here in the western world, could be classified as chewing on cardboard. It's a wonder this fake food is able to make us function at all.
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sailplane
casper wrote
As for something being wrong with our modern food, I fully agree. I once tasted an organic mango that my mother brought home from a trip to Thailand. I've lived on this planet for soon 50 years, and I've never tasted anything like it before, nor since. It was like an atomic bomb in my mouth. Made me realize that what we're eating here in the western world, could be classified as chewing on cardboard. It's a wonder this fake food is able to make us function at all.
Yep, I hear that story a lot. My parents always talking about how great the food was when they were kids and how nothing tastes like that any more..  also when we go to Cuba it's quite different.. they're very poor but they still have better food.. especially the fruits that grow locally there.
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Jinna
Yep, I also grew in Brazil, and the fruits tasted so good...

First time I drank an orange juice from a bottle, I could not believe people actually drank that here in Europe and in Japan.

I could never enjoy bottled juices... Never.

But there is more to the story of nutrient deficiency - at least, now I think I understand more about the problem (after reading the Liver Rescue book).

The main problem sits in the liver! The liver got too toxic from all the chemical and pollutant exposure, drug exposure, radiation, etc...

From there on, any pathogen entering the liver will find easy residence there - heavy metals weaken the liver's immune system. Yes, the liver has an immune system to protect it against pathogens, but when it gets toxic, it can't protect itself perfectly so it will harbor low grade stealth chronic infections that weaken it further.

How? By burrowing holes (inflammation), creating waste, and creating neurotoxins to weaken our immune system. So the liver is already poorly busy trying to survive against viral or pathogen attacks, to clean the mess, to hide the mess from ourselves by sponging the bad guys. Like gadolinum, fluor, mercury, pesticides, insecticides, preservatives, petrol residues, drug residues, viral residues etc.

Then we eat a high fat diet. High fat = high protein diet, like having eggs, cheese, tofu, milk, seeds, meat 2 times a day.

Well fats are dangerous to the heart and to the blood arteries (not to get clogged) so the liver overworks to get rid of fats - when it still can, because it still has to fight pathogens and clean the mess accumulated EVEN before our birth (yes heavy metals are cumulative, they 'll cross generations).

So you eat meat or oily food with good nutrients: do you think the liver will have energy and ability to take in the nutrients or will it decide to save your heart and brain from a future attack (clogged arteries, plaques inside arteries)? It will still want to work on fats as they are threatening your health.

So the nutrients get lost somewhere.

The liver can take nutrients well only when they come fat free.

If you eat pork, it takes 12 hours for the liver to try to disperse fats.
Meat about 6 hours, and plant oils, about 3 hours. This is high priority for the liver.
During this time, the liver will ignore the nutrition coming because it's busy with fats.

If you take just a salad with fruits, no olive oil, yes, the liver may look into nutrients to store them, unless too much poison comes together (then it will still concentrate on hiding, cancelling poisons before thinking about nutrition).

The liver works years, decades to protect us from alcohol, drugs, toxins, radiation, fats etc. But it is not perfect.

The liver is THE storage center for vitamins and minerals.

That's ANOTHER REASON why we are all nutrient deficient. Because most of us have sluggish livers.

That has nothing to do with liver exams your doctor will perform.

It's not only the food that we eat that is poor.

That is why we need an incredible amount of fruits and veggies, to supply us with the minimal nutrients. Like about many portions of fruits a day. Like 3-4 bananas, 2 cups of berries, half a melon, then at least one apple, pear, mango, a piece of papaya, pieces of pineapple, dates... all in ONE DAY but these must come without fats (like cheese, eggs, meat, etc).

Plus the leafy greens and some veggies, preferably uncooked.

Even that, you mix with a piece of beef, the liver will get probably very little from the nutritious salad...
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Jinna wrote
If you eat pork, it takes 12 hours for the liver to try to disperse fats.
Meat about 6 hours, and plant oils, about 3 hours. This is high priority for the liver.
During this time, the liver will ignore the nutrition coming because it's busy with fats.

If you take just a salad with fruits, no olive oil, yes, the liver may look into nutrients to store them, unless too much poison comes together (then it will still concentrate on hiding, cancelling poisons before thinking about nutrition).

The liver works years, decades to protect us from alcohol, drugs, toxins, radiation, fats etc. But it is not perfect.

The liver is THE storage center for vitamins and minerals.

That's ANOTHER REASON why we are all nutrient deficient. Because most of us have sluggish livers.

That has nothing to do with liver exams your doctor will perform.

It's not only the food that we eat that is poor.

That is why we need an incredible amount of fruits and veggies, to supply us with the minimal nutrients. Like about many portions of fruits a day. Like 3-4 bananas, 2 cups of berries, half a melon, then at least one apple, pear, mango, a piece of papaya, pieces of pineapple, dates... all in ONE DAY but these must come without fats (like cheese, eggs, meat, etc).

Plus the leafy greens and some veggies, preferably uncooked.

Even that, you mix with a piece of beef, the liver will get probably very little from the nutritious salad...
Well I have to say I tried what you're saying.. and it completely didn't work. I ate completely healthy etc. etc. with all organic, nuts, lots of vegetables, very low in fat... and my health only got worse and worse and worse... And the only way I got better was to stop eating this super healthy diet ..
I did use salad dressing which was home made with some olive oil.. and that was basically almost the only fat in the diet..  It could be that the oil was not doing good for me, who knows.. it was organic though.
So now I eat more normal things like lots of butter and even some pork, and I feel much better.. and I feel pork digests the best and causes the least problems for me.. chicken or beef, nope.. And pork is supposed to be the worst,..
I think there's a lot more to the story than picking things, more like.. how they were grown and what's inside them.  Pork is an animal that is designed to eat junk.. chickens and cow werent designed to eat corn for example. So they feed em organic corn, and then it's an organic chicken!.. but they don't do well on corn... so then you eat organic corn chicken and probably you get some corn in you as well from it.. and even you may get gluten from it as well if it ate wheat products.

I have to go with whatever works.. I ate such low fat that I felt my body was literally drying up!.. I had so little oil my skin/face it felt very strange...  I've tried quite a few extremes.. like no meat at all... and even all raw food.. and whatever in between.. I even tried only eggs and potatoes diet.. That actually worked the best oddly!.. but I got tired of it. I wanted to see what am I allergic to, so that's why I tried that, but in the end I never figured out much, it was likely a lot of factors causing digestion issues.

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Jinna
When one starts eating veggie, raw etc, the body detoxes, and many collapse...

Eating pork will not save you from being ill with EHS, unfortunately, and it'll set place for all sorts of problems such as high blood pressure, lack of circulation, nutrition deficiency, plaque in the arteries...

Meats, chicken, eggs travel in the MIDDLE of the gut, so if your gut is sensitive, they may feel better than lettuce.

Lettuce travels touching the gut walls, scraping rest of dead food, but also touching the sensitive nerves, so you may feel uncomfortable.

Plus, if you have not enough good probiotics, you won^'t be able to digest greens, fruits. It takes months to rebuild probiotics there.

Someone eating junk food moving to healthy food suddenly will NEVER feel wonderful from night to day.

i know people who can't take a leaf of lettuce even. So they have no choice than remaining ill but eating animal protein forever. Unless they decide to increase the amount of raw foods slowly...

i also eat animal protein and like it. I simply try to diminish slowly. But I can digest fully raw foods, as I never stopped eating raw.

my food allergies are almost all gone. And I was fearing for my life, not too long ago. Losing weight due to increasing food allergies. Eating meat proteins never helped me out...

as for dry skin, funnily, since I started this low fat, more veggie, full fruit diet, my skin got INCREDIBLY better than before. Much more shiny. Plus all my veins that looked awful on hands are back to normal. I used to have thick dark veins on hands that scared children... Now they're 95% gone.

Skin is soft.

Well, cows and horses only eat greens and they do have strong muscles, shiny fur and stand cold much better than us. They don't get extra oils, but most of the oil they get are from greens.

I hope you find an answer to your health issues...
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Jinna wrote
Plus, if you have not enough good probiotics, you won^'t be able to digest greens, fruits. It takes months to rebuild probiotics there.
Yes, exactly... people's gut is full of stuff to digest what they have been digesting so changing it up doesn't work too well. But I believe the salad stuff is poisonous.. the california one anyway, and contains perchlorate. Otherwise I can't explain why I felt more and more terrible by eating lettuce. It's not a detox reaction I'm sure of it.. I've done detox with chlorella, cilantro, juicing,.. it's nothing like it.  The lettuce made me feel really crap.
Also complete raw food didn't digest well, so that could've the problem. I know other people who are eating more raw stuff and they can do it.. but probably their digestion is better.
Cows and horses eat those things but they're more specialized to digest them and they eat constantly, very big quantities.  I think we need more energy dense food.  

I don't know how bad animal meat is.. I know there are studies showing bad things, but I didn't research much on occasional eating animal meat. I eat probably 1lb of pork a week..  I wouldn't even feel like eating much more than that.. but if I don't I feel like something's missing.. If I don't for a few weeks I seem to get worse.. so there must be something beneficial among all those non-beneficial things in there. I can easily not eat meat because I don't particularly like it that much, especially chicken.. but it's mostly due to the low quality, because I used to like it when it was real,.. now even organic chicken isn't that good tasting any more.

I started a new diet now that tries to avoid all food from California.. since organic almost always means California, it's a bit difficult.. but I gotta try something..


"The source of perchlorate in California was mainly attributed to two manufacturers in the southeast portion of the Las Vegas Valley in Nevada, where perchlorate has been produced for industrial use.[39] This led to perchlorate release into Lake Mead in Nevada and the Colorado River which affected regions of Nevada, California and Arizona, where water from this reservoir is used for consumption, irrigation and recreation for approximate half the population of these states.[3] Lake Mead has been attributed[when?] as the source of 90% of the perchlorate in Southern Nevada's drinking water. Based on sampling, perchlorate has been affecting 20 million people, with highest detection in Texas, southern California, New Jersey, and Massachusetts, but intensive sampling of the Great Plains and other middle state regions may lead to revised estimates with additional affected regions.[3] An action level of 18 μg/L has been adopted[when?] by several affected states.[33]

In food
In 2004, the chemical was found in cow's milk in California at an average level of 1.3 parts per billion (ppb, or µg/L), which may have entered the cows through feeding on crops exposed to water containing perchlorates.[40] A 2005 study suggested human breast milk had an average of 10.5 µg/L of perchlorate.[41]"



https://kellymom.com/bf/can-i-breastfeed/chemicals/perchlorate-breastmilk/

No further studies on perchlorate has been done since 2005 that I can find..

I think a lot of food problems simply come from the very poor quality of food. We think pork is bad, bread is bad, etc. is bad.. but we know little of what that pork ate, or the # of pesticides in that bread.  Perhaps if they were grown properly there would be very little problem with them..  I know people who lived to 90+ and they ate whatever they wanted and plenty of steak.. I also know people who lived to 90+ and they ate no meat at all their whole life.. So it's not a huge difference .. or wasn't anyway, back in the day when meat was probably something other than it is now. Now, you'll be hard pressed to find a quality piece of meat... but also hard to find a quality tomato for example.

You live in Europe I think?.. The soil in Americas is not like Europe at all, the quality seems to be much lower. I'm from Europe , so whenever anybody I know goes back, they all remark how much better tasting food is there than here.
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Jinna
It' s such a catastrophic situation, the toxic world we're in...

All that man-made, for profit, selfishness, power... And the tendency is not stopping, even though there are more resistance movements appearing.

Yes, I live in Switzerland, which is far from perfect, but when I see what's done there in the US, it feels still fine here. Pollution though knows no borders, and many people even choose polluted things to eat, wear, use at home, cosmetics etc, when they have other options..

But many more are getting ill. I'm just waiting for that 5G to start. Somehow, I was thinking, it's better to make this HUGE jump from 4G to 5G, because many will notice the difference, I hope.

I hope then that people won't remain silent, waiting, but react. When their children will be harmed, I hope more parents would be aware. A bit like Trump that reacts against vaccines (because his son was damaged) but does not give a nickel for 5G, and promotes that sh...

I read in Anthony's book that food travels inside our stomachs, gut, etc in DIFFERENT paths.
Like, when food falls in the stomach, there are different areas for different types of food. It's not like all follow the same path.

It makes so much sense, because many foods (fruits, veggies) do not need high stomach acids to be digested, but need an alkaline environment to be digested. So they travel fast down to the small intestine, while the rest (meats, for example or any protein, be animal or vegetable) stays longer.

Then he says lettuce will always travel by scraping the gut walls. It does not travel in the middle, like eggs (and meat, I suppose). And probably eggs need barely any probiotics to be digested (as it is also cooked, and cooking is like pre-digesting), while greens ALWAYS need probiotics, because fibers are never digested by us (only by probiotic bacteria).

Fibers are their food, but not ours.

So when people eat eggs, they say they can digest that well. Plus all proteins are rich in fats, so they are very hard to digest and take much longer than, say, a fruit, that can be almost digested in a matter of minutes if it is not blocked by other foods.

So people usually take fats because that makes them feel full for longer hours, and they do not irritate their bowels as much as lettuce, that scrapes the gut, cleaning debris, and hurting somehow the nerves, that are already irritated with pesticides, pathogens, heavy metals... But lettuce has also a milk that soothes these nerves, so long term, they will heal the gut better while meats will not do anything positive there.

Plus eggs feeds pathogens today, he says. In the past, eggs were good. Now, even the hormones in chicken eggs feed pathogens, the same way as milk products do. All these are harder to digest, have little nutritional value (no antioxidants but they ARE oxidants specially if cooked in fried oil)...

I like meat too, but when I need some healing boost, I go veggie.

Meat always concentrate toxins just by bio-acumulation. The animal ate loads of veggies, grains and the toxins do not leave the body easily. Same with us. Our heavy metals do not leave the body without a proper 'treatment', and long term, because they are 'sticky' (they have like an ionic charge that sticks to nerves and cells).  

Plus, as meat is rich in fats (any meat), and all man made toxins (pesticides, glyphosates, heavy metals used in pesticides, insecticides...) are all FAT SOLUBLE, well, it's not a win-win situation, but a lose-lose situation (oxidative, few useful nutrients, and concentrate toxins in fats).

That is probably another reason that we all lack aminoacids while we eat LOADS of proteins.
so many people profit from adding aminoacids in supplement forms. I hear about that every day.

I test people energetically too, and I see they are not lying. They do test good for the some aminoacids, and they swear it helps them in many different areas (like sleep, less pain, less headache, etc).

The question is: how is that possible? The one piece of meat they eat a day has MANY more aminoacids than the pill they take. But their bodies cannot make use of these proteins.

Same as for my daughter: she lacked iron. I gave her beefsteak almost daily, for months, she even puked so much I gave her. And her blood got more and more iron-poor. To the point the lab exams could NOT find any iron there (it just came like LESS THAN 3 of Ferritin).

I changed strategy, went on veggie source of iron, gave her probiotics from food, daily, for a couple of months, and suddenly she had MORE iron than average person. Not from animal source.

I don't know why, but I think that it may have to do with the bodies being toxic, and that we can't digest well the nutrients from fatty sources... Or some other reason I don't know.

That's why I'm on the more fruit-veggie experiment now. I don't ONLY believe that our nutrition is poor, because of this aminoacid story.

Proteins ARE aminoacids, and we mostly eat high protein in our diets - most people do (yoghurt, cheese, soya, meats, eggs, beans, lentils..) daily, and we are STARVING for aminoacids and need supplementation!!

The story of our nutrient-poor soils causing nutrient poor veggies and foods does not really feel like it explains that aminoacid problem, if you see what I mean.

What if we ARE eating some antioxidants (in fruits and veggies), and vitamins + minerals, and aminoacids (proteins) but our bodies have a problem and can't use these raw materials?

The same story with zinc. Everybody is zinc deficient. But when you go analyze the urine, the people who MOST NEED ZINC are the ones that LOSE most zinc through urine.

This is very well known today, known as the KPU or HPU syndrome.

Our zinc is dumped down the toilet, while our cells are starving for zinc.

Now, after reading the Liver Rescue book, I start to feel I have more clues to understand the problem. The liver, as the storage of minerals and vitamins, and as the main metabolic machine of the body.

All foods that come down the gut are sucked through the portal vein to the liver, that will re-manufacture all ingredients again. If the ingredient is a nutrient, it will either be stored in the liver or it will be tagged, re-shaped, and re-sent to the right place / organ / tissue.

Only the liver can do that, all these re-tagging of nutrients. If the liver is super toxic with all that we eat, breathe, wear on the body, smell... + we add difficult to digest foods (such as meats and fat) + we have pathogens that are super toxic (that create neurotoxins like strep, herpes, borrelia etc) that live in the liver + electrosmog + stress... well, the liver can't do it's job of reprocessing food well.

It will go by priority: the priority is digest fats (too dangerous for the heart and vessels, because they can get clogged and you may die from infarct or a clogged artery in the brain), and to deal with nasty toxins (such as pesticides, radioactive particles, heavy metals and viruses or bacterial neurotoxins).

The nutrition function of the liver is left behind all those priority jobs.

I find that explanation makes total sense - why we dump zinc instead of using it (because it's not reprocessed by the liver, as it has no time / no energy), why we dump aminoacids without using it (same reason, as eating aminoacids from meats are too hard to digest, so no time to reprogram them, as the liver is busy degreasing the body), why we all need vitamins and minerals while we eat much better than people in the middle ages.

In a distant past, in a cleaner environment, 2 of the liver burdens are out of the equation: extreme poisonous man-made toxins & pathogens THRIVING on man-made toxins creating neurotoxins from man-made chemicals.

To understand how critters do that, just imagine a stagnant pond near an industrial dump: no more fish, frogs, nice plants, transparent water but only dark water, a sludge of stinking pathogens thrive there. They THRIVE on industrial garbage, totally man made, as they try to decompose the toxic sludge.

Well, same as outside - inside us, these sludge pathogens also thrive.

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sailplane
Jinna wrote
That's why I'm on the more fruit-veggie experiment now. I don't ONLY believe that our nutrition is poor, because of this aminoacid story.
Amino acid story sounds like low HCL.. did these people do a HCL test?.. There's some crazy electronic pill you can swallow that monitors HCL.
If you have low HCL then you can't break down amino acids.
https://scdlifestyle.com/2015/05/your-body-might-be-starving-for-protein/
There are probably other digestive issues that could cause problems with breaking down protein.. I think Candida overgrowth causes low HCL as well.. Basically taking HCL pills changed my life, and I'm sure many others have a similar story.. and great thing is, I don't even need them any more.

Zinc and copper balance each other, maybe the food they're eating is high in copper..  Or it could also be
"Consumption of foods that contain phytates (which inhibit absorption), such as whole grains, cereals, corn, rice, beans, soybeans, other legumes, and nuts"
https://www.merckmanuals.com/en-ca/home/disorders-of-nutrition/minerals/zinc

Phytates also inhibit other minerals.. and the foods in that list are very common.. especially corn.. I thin almost everyone eats corn.. I avoid all foods with high phytates.. I've done that change since a long time ago.
https://healthyeating.sfgate.com/foods-high-phytates-3307.html
"Other processes that actually reduce total phytate are soaking, fermenting and sprouting."


This is why bread is supposed to be made with sourdough and should be allowed to sit for 1-2 days or so.. a process that is skipped these days.. so most people are being killed by bread. That was the first thing I found out in this journey of figuring out what's wrong with me. Something no doctor will ever tell you.. and it happened because I went on vacation to Cuba. They only had white bread, so I didn't eat any, thinking it's bad.. it's not whole grain.. and on the last day I did!.. And then I felt the stomach problems I always had come back suddenly, which had finally gone away.

So even if there are nutrients in there we could easily miss out on many as you say,.. low HCL, low probiotics, mixing foods wrong and eating high phytates, soy, corn, wheat...

I'll grow my own greens eventually.. when I ate greens from a local farm they didn't cause any problems.. But the store ones I don't trust any more. I also think sprouts are a good way to go, but been lazy on doing that.. like broccoli/radish/alfalfa sprouts.. I don't like the bean sprouts for some reason.
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Yep, certainly low HCL is a problem too.
But finally it's looking very much like EVERYBODY has low HCL...

The problem of zinc is that it causes visible disease, but we all know that we lack most minerals like magnesium, iodine, boron, etc.

I wouldn't trust Merck to get any health information, though, as they are one of the responsible, corrupt companies that put us in the mess we are.

https://www.corp-research.org/merck

We don't eat gluten and most bread for a long time. That does not correct the problem of lack of nutrients, unfortunately, but if we ate gluten, I think the problem would not be solved... or it would take us very long to heal..

The liver is never mentioned, as the main storage of nutrients. It's simply not known.

But for me, that is one of the main explanations why we are in the mess we are.

There is a close relationship between the stomach and the liver: the liver is not good a digesting fats from animal proteins, as fat and protein come bound together. Only the stomach can do that well. Bile coming from the liver is not strong enough.

So when the liver senses animal proteins are in (already while you are chewing), it sends chemical messages to the stomach to OVERPRODUCE HCL, because it knows that the bile is not strong to digest those animal proteins + fats.

When we go on eating animal fats and still adding more fats on it, HCL gets weaker - as it uses salts and reserves from the body. So these animal proteins + fats go undigested down the gut, become rancid, and then pathogens thrive (to consume these rancid fats + proteins).

Anthony says that the best way to reinforce HCL in the stomach is to take celery juice daily on empty stomach, for months, years. They have the mineral salts the stomach needs to increase HCL production, it seems.

And that celery juice has also an antimicrobial function, that kills unproductive bacteria down the gut...

As for phytates, I don't know. I have been trying to diminish grain consumption for some time, usually leave my rice soaked overnight, but I am eating loads of potatoes now, following Anthony's advice. As for corn, it's like soya, wheat, in the RED list, so trying to keep all corn out (also due to GMO problem).

Here in Europe, corn is not yet GMO, but the animals consume GMO corn.... So another reason to avoid these meats...

I saw a documentary about shrimps in Vietnam, and for the first time, a positive docu!! They produce huge amounts of shrimp of all sorts, and some bright researchers there are trying to do a totally antibiotic free culture, thinking long term. They study different probiotics that fight bacteria in the basins and in shrimps, and so far, they have been successful (with ups and downs).
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And that celery juice has also an antimicrobial function, that kills unproductive bacteria down the gut...

As for phytates, I don't know. I have been trying to diminish grain consumption for some time, usually leave my rice soaked overnight, but I am eating loads of potatoes now, following Anthony's advice. As for corn, it's like soya, wheat, in the RED list, so trying to keep all corn out (also due to GMO problem).

Here in Europe, corn is not yet GMO, but the animals consume GMO corn.... So another reason to avoid these meats...

I saw a documentary about shrimps in Vietnam, and for the first time, a positive docu!! They produce huge amounts of shrimp of all sorts, and some bright researchers there are trying to do a totally antibiotic free culture, thinking long term. They study different probiotics that fight bacteria in the basins and in shrimps, and so far, they have been successful (with ups and downs).

They warn of potatoes causing sugar spike in the blood.. but poor people eat nothing but potatoes and they're still alive. So I eat quite a lot of potatoes..

Yes a lot of fats can cause problems.. I feel it too, when the stomach can't digest well I feel that I have to avoid fats.. I probably should take some HCL with the animal protein meals.  I messed up my stomach by drinking a liter of pepsi a day for about a year or two, every single day(20 years ago).. I don't know what that does.. other than the sugar overload. But by the end, things wouldn't digest properly any more and I was very lactose intolerant, and quite a lot of other foods would cause quick problems.. I recovered quite well considering..  
Also when I was young I accidentally drank oil .. quite a bit.. In Romania we had no running tap water most of the time, so we stored water in tinted glass bottles and this bottle had oil but looked like the water bottles and was next to them. I came home super thirsty and by the time I realized it's oil I had already gulped quite a bit.. I think ever since then I had issues with eating things that are too fatty.. like the pieces with lots of pork fat.. some people love them and I can't understand how they can even eat that stuff..  lemon juice and vinegar definitely helps.

Someone told me for good sleep it's recommended half cup of water,  1tablespoon of honey and 1 tablespoon of apple cider vinegar, before bed time.  I may try it soon, he says it works very good.