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Been to the Klinghardt institute in Germany

Jinna
He built a rather new building, fully EMR protected, it seems.

It's my 2nd time there, for a course (I spent a total of 6 days in that building).

I never felt good inside it. I thought initially it was because of too much to learn, or some tension...

But this time, it got more than clear: his building makes me sick with ES.

We have to practice kinesiology tests on each other. I was so blocked that no one could test me (2nd day).

Someone unblocks me, it lasts less than 1 or 2 minutes, I'm re-blocked again.

I usually do not get blocked, as I'm doing that for more than 10 years.

I had to turn my Coufal device on (the Swiss device with homeopathic EMR frequencies), put it under the testing bed, then I waited 5 minutes, could finally breathe again, came back to be myself (not 100%, but enough to be the lab rat of another person).

We test each other to learn, that is why. The poor man could not test me... He insisted that I did not use any device, but we got so stuck that he gave up.

Whatever Klinghardt did to the building to 'protect' it against esmog, it is one of the worst places for me.

No one in the group (about 30 people) seemed to notice anything (and they are all in the medical field or naturopathic doctors).  I met someone that doesn't even own any computer!!!

the moment I'm out of the building, I start to feel better. It takes me though some hours to feel back to normal, after leaving the place.
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Jinna
I learned though one remedy taught by him, against geopathic stress on bed.

We let 9 or 12 bottles of salty water (glass) on the bed for 24 hours.

then we can pack them in alu foil (put numbers on them). Then test each bottle for the person. If the person gets a stress, we can prepare a remedy against that exact bottle.

It seems it helps people, when they can't change the position of the bed.
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Jinna
someone in the course said that Mistletoe homeopathic preparations let on all 4 corners of the bed help immensely with geopathic stress.

the products she mentioned was a Wala product, but I suspect any homeopathic dilution should work?!
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Marc Martin
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Yes, some EMF protection devices really make me feel really bad.  

Klinghardt has a building fairly close to where I live in the USA, but I've never been there.

Marc


 
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earthworm
One can believe to know a million things and measure a thousand frequency ranges and other influences, but a wild animal will understand and sense way more of what is essential for its well-being, without even mentioning it, not to speak of acting as a well-paid authority on the health of others.
Klinghardt is a nice fellow, in general clearly preferable to most experts in the medical field, but many of his ideas seem to be a bit too smart, including living or sleeping in a faraday cage, and this building is likely shielded professionally.
That may work for some people though, at least for a while, but i would never bet on it.


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robert
Do you think there is any possibility you are drawing conclusions precipitately? 
     I know your feelings are clear and I trust wild animals too. But could it be that 
being free of microwaves for the first time in a long time - being in a clear environment shall we say,
 your body first needs to throw off the adaptation to unnatural conditions before beginning to 
 manifest obvious signs of health?. Also when we detoxify we can be sick and feel bad for weeks or months
 - all the while  it is a healing process.      Could this be what is going on? You feel WORSE initially
  because your body now begins to repair the harm, while before it was living in adaptation to it? 
      Best wishes, Sylvan.

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One can believe to know a million things and measure a thousand frequency ranges and other influences, but a wild animal will understand and sense way more of what is essential for its well-being, without even mentioning it, not to speak of acting as a well-paid authority on the health of others.
Klinghardt is a nice fellow, in general clearly preferable to most experts in the medical field, but many of his ideas seem to be a bit too smart, including living or sleeping in a faraday cage, and this building is likely shielded professionally.
That may work for some people though, at least for a while.





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Re: Been to the Klinghardt institute in Germany

sailplane
robert wrote
Do you think there is any possibility you are drawing conclusions
precipitately?
     I know your feelings are clear and I trust wild animals too. But could
it be that
being free of microwaves for the first time in a long time - being in a
clear environment shall we say,
 your body first needs to throw off the adaptation to unnatural conditions
before beginning to
 manifest obvious signs of health?. Also when we detoxify we can be sick
and feel bad for weeks or months
 - all the while  it is a healing process.      Could this be what is going
on? You feel WORSE initially
  because your body now begins to repair the harm, while before it was
living in adaptation to it?
      Best wishes, Sylvan.
I feel worse at first when I'm in a low EMF environment, especially Faraday cage.. but even in the home without it, if somebody turns off a wifi when they go on vacation, takes 1 week to adjust to it and then feel much better.
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earthworm
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" Do you think there is any possibility you are drawing conclusions precipitately? "

Of course not, ZERO chance !
All right, just kidding.
Actually I merely share a view, no conclusions.
Anyway, anybody remains free to live in any cage of his or her liking.

Shielding off emfs from civilization is not the issue here.
Along with it, natural background emfs could be blocked as well.

Adaptation to new circumstances may have some short term unpleasant effects.
Nevertheless feeling worse is probably usually a sign that something is not right.
Detoxing does not cause me any trouble at least, except from some itching locally.
The body knows what it is doing.
Well, again, be free to see and do things your own way.

As Marc suggested,  EMF protection devices could also be a cause of sickness.
The smarter the talk, the more insane and unhealthy ( i estimate ) these are,
For instance, machines can of course never produce a really natural wave-form.


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Marc Martin
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> As Marc suggested,  EMF protection devices could also be a cause of sickness.

I mentioned that because Klinghardt's company (BioPure) does sell some rather pricey EMF protection devices.  And one might assume that he has them running in his own clinics.

I recall around 17 years ago, when I was at my most sensitive, someone suggested that I go to a certain "out there" practitioner.  I was worried because this practitioner's office was in what I'd call a "bad EMF area" close to the city center.  However, when I went there, I was stunned that this office was an oasis, and I was completely free of symptoms.  So when this practitioner recommended that I try items from Quantum Products (a company which has apparently since gone out of business), I did so, because I assumed that he must have had them running in his office.  And this product line did indeed work out very well for me, and was the reason that I was able to return to my office job.  And I still use this product line today, although I'm rather concerned about ever finding replacements if needed.

Marc
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earthworm
How do these Quantum Products work ?
What is the theory behind it ?
Could you open them up and re-manufacture or repair them ?
How are you doing without them now ?
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Marc Martin
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The theory behind Quantum Products is that standard electrical  / magnetic fields are loaded with unnecessary noise and are "incoherent" (in the sense that a laser beam is "coherent").  So these broadcast a coherent field which makes the localized area more coherent overall.  

And I still use them... it's just that I'm not so desperately in need of them now.  But I still need them to work in my office (which of course is much worse now than it was 17 years ago, due to wi-fi, wireless headsets, smart phones, higher resolution computer displays fed with digital signals, etc.)

And the company still has a website, so maybe not completely out of business.  But there was a time that you could shop around for a variety of products and easily purchase them online.

  http://www.upgradingtechnology.com/research.html

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earthworm
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How are you doing without them now ?
=> I supposed you have tried that out, but perhaps not ( yet ), at least properly.

I checked that biopure-website, it is not only Klinghardt 's " geo-cubes " that seem overly priced ...
Not so nice.
And the info is pretty vague as well.
No wonder that lots of people start to laugh when i mention es and the dangers of emfs.

P.S. i missed your answer, will look into it.
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Marc Martin
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> I checked that biopure-website, it is not only Klinghardt 's " geo-cubes "

Well, EMF protection devices aren't exactly "high volume" products, so no way they are going to be cheap.  It would be worth it if they actually helped, but in my experience most of these products do not help (me), with very few exceptions.

And Klinghardt is known for being expensive... which again wouldn't be so bad if he actually helped, but often you find complaints that people spent a lot of money on him and did not improve.


 
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earthworm
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It looks like these " quantum " products clean up electricity ( " reduce noise" )  in a technical manner, unlike and incomparable to lots of pricey well-marketed stuff with the same fancy name.
Although it remains unclear how the "coherence technology" works.

In the video in which Klinghardt promotes his " geo-cubes " , he talks like a complete idiot or charlatan :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=rslgSoVK4RQ
These " stetzer-filters " that would also do the trick but less elegantly, are a fraud to begin with.
Internet via AC ( " home-plugs"  )  is uncommon, certainly for his clients, so why bring that in ?
" Stetzer-filters " even admittedly will do absolutely nothing against wireless pollution, which is more relevant, and i guess neither will a " geo-cube " help here, nor with dirty air from cables and devices.
But yeah, the son or grandson of a nobel-prize-winner invented it, how convincing the story is nevertheless ! ;)




 
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Re: Been to the Klinghardt institute in Germany

Jinna
The Klinghardt building is in Glottertal, a very small touristic town.

https://www.schwarzwald-geniessen.de/de/orte/Glottertal

I haven't found the cell towers, there must be (as people use phones there).

Outside, it feels good. I stayed up in the mountains in an isolated location, went walking in the woods, it felt pretty good there.

Inside the building, no way, this feels very artificial.

All teachers say, 1st day of course, to turn off cell phones because otherwise the feeling inside the building is MUCH worse than in normal buildings. They say that because the building is protected, cell phones look for signals and emit much stronger EMRs.

So, theoretically, all students had their phones off. That does not yet mean that their smart phones still won't be used as a cell tower - I think apple phones do that, even when off (you got to PULL batteries off to stop the phone to be used as a cell tower, if I understood well).

Probably other smart phones do that too (?).

Whatever happens, it has NOTHING to do with being barefoot in nature, far from cell towers.

No way. I live in the countryside, do often gardening barefoot, walk in the mountains far from cell towers, and this Klinghardt building feeling has NOTHING to do with that feeling of wellness.

My heartbeat was not normal, I could barely breathe, I have to keep doing acupressure about 10 times a day, all over my body, take water, etc to feel I'm a bit normal. When I'm in the building, I need chlorella (about 20 tabletts) to lower anxiety.

If I miss that daily chlorella intake, I don't think my brain can follow the courses.... Sometimes I take it twice a day when the feeling is too bad in that building.

The moment I step out BAREFOOT (most people attending courses walk barefoot the whole time, in and out the building) I already feel slightly better. It takes me hours though to come back to normal.

So really, this time, after the 6th day (full day) inside that building, I'm sure the building makes me sick with ES...
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Jinna
while some people do not get well with other Klinghardt protocols / treatments, I owe my life to his ART technique.

I was home bound, more like sofa bound, no doctor could help.

One of his oldest devices - KMT 24, a sort of TENS device using Rife frequencies,  all his ART tests to find out problems in the body, how to measure medicines, etc, really could make me again a human being, not a ghost....

In less than a week after I visited a Klinghardt practitioner, I could go a bit outside without puking, could take a few steps, take shower again, slowly back to life. It took me years to feel a person again, 100%, but without his knowledge and ART, I don't think I would be here today.

I would be long gone. His method could find out problems that no one else could.

He is expensive, and all the materials he sells are expensive, I agree.
And that is what blocks his method to expand faster, in my opinion.

He is also very much into selling his products, which could be good if they were not overpriced.

As I do his ART tests for very long time, I know some of its limitations too.
What is good, is that he never stops learning and trying to improve his knowledge.

But the obsession into selling is what is bad, I totally agree. By being obsessed with that, he misses MANY other good products, good advice.

Like his laser technique: no way this laser thing is better than infrared (much cheaper).

Now the ionic foot bath he's promoting, or hydrogen water... Similar devices can cost about 90% cheaper!!

So nope, he's not perfect. And that EMR protected building now showed me how limited some technologies can be.

Nature is by far, more intelligent and complete.

I tried to contact the company Marc mentioned above again. Let's see if they answer me this time.

The coufal device did help me this time inside Klingahardt building. It's got already a 5G upgrade.

Many of these naturopaths and MDs doing the course are sensitive, as I said, some do not own a computer, no cell phone at all.

Why don't they fall ill as I do? I have no idea. I know I'm usually very sensitive, much more sensitive than 99% of people.

It takes me a couple of hours to feel sick with EMRs, unless my body starts to know the pathogenic frequency. then I can feel the bad effects in a matter of minutes.

That is what was happening inside the Glottertal building in the last days of course. I get like an allergy to the pathogenic frequency. Day 1, I can still go around, even if I feel bad. Day 2 and 3, it gets almost impossible, as my body over reacts....
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Marc Martin
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> I tried to contact the company Marc mentioned above again. Let's see if they answer me this time.

Also note that UK Hi-Fi company "Russ Andrews" sells this same technology in their "Clarity" power conditioning products:

  http://www.russandrews.com/us/clarity-conditioners/?page=1

Although these are more expensive than the products that used to be available from Quantum Products, and they target UK/EU 220v/50hz power (while Quantum Products targeted US 110v/60hz power)

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Jinna
I'm totally lost Marc.

This is their 2018 catalogue...

https://issuu.com/russandrewsaccessories/docs/catalogue18taggedissuu

Can you help me? What kind of thing would help us with ES there?

Thaanks!!!!
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Marc Martin
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Well, anything listed as a "Mains Conditioner" could potentially help someone with ES, as these generally clean up noise on the power lines.  On page 11 of that catalog is something called the "Clarity Pro", which is almost the same thing as the "Quantum Pro" that I use in my office.  The only difference I see is that the Quantum Pro had a setting on the back (0 - 16) for fine tuning (we had someone on this group once who said that they only felt good using the Quantum Pro at settings 0 - 5.

Russ Andrews also has a "Clarity Mains" outlet plug-in that is more affordable than the Clarity Pro (also on page 11), although Quantum Products never had a product like that (and I would have bought one if they did)

Marc
 
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Marc Martin
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Oh, and I just got a response from Quantum Products that they are in the process of
upgrading their product line.  So that's not out of business, but it also sounds like you
cannot really buy anything from them right now.

Marc

 
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