Fruits also have fructose.
Steve Jobs was a Fruitarian and he died of pancreatic cancer.
I would be very careful to fall in love with one theory.
Vegetables can be eaten in any quantity, I don't think fruit should be added in any quantity
If you guys still don't know about the largest China Study on food, here is some wiki background:
"The book (China Study) is based on the China–Cornell–Oxford Project, a 20-year study—described by The New York Times as "the Grand Prix of epidemiology"—conducted by the Chinese Academy of Preventive Medicine, Cornell University, and the University of Oxford.
T. Colin Campbell was one of the study's directors.
It looked at mortality rates from cancer and other chronic diseases from 1973–75 in 65 counties in China (for 20 whole years); the data was correlated with 1983–84 dietary surveys and blood work from 100 people in each county.
The research was conducted in those counties because they had genetically similar populations that tended, over generations, to live and eat in the same way in the same place.
The study concluded that counties with a high consumption of animal-based foods in 1983–84 were more likely to have had higher death rates from "Western" diseases as of 1973–75, while the opposite was true for counties that ate more plant-based foods.
In 1983 two villages were chosen at random in each of 65 rural counties in China, and 50 families were chosen at random in each village. The dietary habits of one adult member of each family were examined—half male, half female—and the results compared to the death rates in those counties from around 48 forms of cancers and other diseases during 1973–75.
No study, as far as I know, is as comprehensible and long as this China study, that was undertaken with help of Cornell and Oxford.
They have the results of 6,500 families, concerning 48 forms of cancer, mortality rates, heart diseases etc.
It's bigger than the Bible, for sure.
Some of the recommendations of foods that lead to longer life / better health can be seen in this website below.
Also foods to avoid.
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Cancer can come from result of radiation, heavy metals, toxins of all sorts, and even viruses.
You may eat as healthy as you can, if you eat radioactive contaminated food or live in a place with radon, or consume high amount of heavy metals, plus catch a cancer virus, I guess fruits and veggies may help, but you still need to address the cause of cancer.
For those who are afraid of fruit sugar, there are other studies proving that high fruit consumption will improve your health.
I find the China Study the largest and most complete, but I know the Western mind does not trust stuff coming from the East, so just dig in the articles yourself.
Here is a small article:
the biggest mistake is to think fructose from FRUITS causes diabetes type 2, when all these studies show the opposite.
I'm not talking about sodas and added sugar. I'm talking about fructose IN FRUITS.
High consumption of fruits is beneficial according to countless studies.
The problem is: consume high fat, high animal protein then add fruits + white flour on top, and you'll get diabetes.
People shoot the carbs and fructose as CAUSING diabetes, but what if what causes diabetes is not fat consumption that CAUSES insulin resistance?
People eating FATS + high amount of animal protein + fruits + good carbs may STILL develop diabetes.
but many researchers today are pointing again to fat as causing insulin resistance.
Our cells need sugar to work, but they need insulin to PUSH sugars from blood into cells.
If fat consumption causes insulin resistance, all glucose from fruits and good carbs will not enter cells but remain high floating in blood.
You can shoot glucose or fructose as the guilty ones, but this huge China study proves the very contrary.
Free fatty acids are linked to diabetes type2.
Another study says clearly:
Insulin Resistance occurs as a result of disturbances in lipid metabolism and increased levels of circulating fatty acids that accumulate within the insulin sensitive tissues such as muscle, liver and adipose tissues.
Increased fatty acid flux has been suggested to be strongly associated with insulin resistant states such as obesity and type 2-diabetes.
Fatty acids appear to cause this defect in glucose transport by inhibiting insulin -stimulated tyrosine phosphorylation of insulin receptor substrate-1 (IRS-1) and reducing IRS-1 associated phosphatidyl-inositol 3-kinase activity that implicate other insulin signaling components downstream of the insulin signaling cascade.
A number of different metabolic abnormalities may increase intramyocellular or intrahepatic fatty acid metabolites that induce the disease state of insulin resistance through a number of different cellular mechanisms. The current review point out the link between enhanced FFA flux and activation of PKC and how it impacts on both the insulin signaling in muscle and liver.
In my opinion, that would explain how one can consume high amount of fruits (no upper limit) without developing any sugar problems, no overweight, no diabetes IF one consumes LOWER amount of 'bad' fatty acids (from red meat, overcooked food, palm oil etc).
A last website on differences between added sugar and fruit sugar: dozens of servings a day won't impact your health negatively.
"What Do They Mean? Can You Eat Too Much Fruit?
Can We Eat Ten Fruit A Day? How About Twenty Fruit A Day?
It’s actually been put to the test.
Seventeen people were made to eat 20 servings a day of fruit. Despite the extraordinarily high fructose content of this diet, presumably about 200 g/d—eight cans of soda worth, the investigators reported no adverse effects (and possible benefit actually) for body weight, blood pressure, and insulin and lipid levels after three to six months.
More recently, Jenkins and colleagues put people on about a 20 servings of fruit a day diet for a few weeks and found no adverse effects on weight or blood pressure or triglycerides, and an astounding 38 point drop in LDL cholesterol."
Ok, this is just peanut studies compared to the China study, but it gives you an idea that the main culprit is the MIXTURE of fats and sugars in the diet.
Anyway, processed foods are bad in any sort, be it processed fats / meat or processed sugar.
Steve Jobs not only ate a lot of fruit, he was apparently a huge fruit juice consumer as well. Surely, he didn't drink fruit juice cocktails, but even the best, 100% real juices drink have a ton of sugar. If that's all your getting in your diet (no meat, no starch), coupled with environmental toxins, I can see it as a tipping point in one's health.
this guy spent half of his life behind computers and monitors, including crt-screens
mac is almost as disgusting as windows, he should have stayed away from pc-'s
really bad are mac-'s that have a computer inside the monitor, unnecessary nearby
Have to agree a little bit with earthworm here. You bring up some necessary and good points.
After I measured the EMF around my juicer and blender with my Trifield meter, I never want to use those things again. The fields they produce are enormous.
Now imagine your average health-conscious vegetarian or frutarian (including Steve Jobs). They will stand in front of these machines multiple times per day, making their smoothies and juices.
What's the use of all the good food you put in yourself, if you irradiate your body several times per day? This is a question I start to wonder when people look at the health of vegetarians for example. There are factors in this equation I think most people never thought of.
It's a sad thing, as making great tasting smoothies and juices can be fun, but we need to figure out a better way to produce them. At least you can get manual juicers, and perhaps the blender problem can be solved with the use of a remote switch.
In any case we need to be aware of the potential hazards of these "health" machines.
casper i live in amish country, these guys are not using electicity as their ethics frown upon it,, so the answer is they convert their juicers to run on air,, pressurised air,, from a compressor,, i even seen vitamixes and other slow masticating juicers for sale that they converted with a small air motor with valves, so then your air tank is in the garage with lines coming in,, a bit of work but so is the life with anyone with ehs ,, just a thought
You don't have to buy a juicer to be a vegetarian...
I particularly dislike veggie juices and I have the impression people who dislike vegetables do more veggie juices, in order to put them down the throat fast.
I like chewing fruits and vegetables...
But there are manual juicers that seem to work well.
A steel one, costs almost nothing...
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So it's been months here of on and off streaks of days with chlorella/spirulina and I came back here to say that I'm actually getting better now. I was able to use another computer this morning that made me ill before with minimal ringing/pressure and I'm becoming a lot more clear headed. No longer having severe bloating reactions to it either. I'm going to wait a while longer and get cleaner before I really dive in and see how much of a difference it actually made but I know it's doing something. A lot more normal now and the last symptom I got before I felt this way is a huge headache with some brain fog, then the next day right after that pressure loosened this kinda metallic bitter thin saliva (?) went all down my throat in waves that irritated it a bit with a slight burning feeling just like I got all over my face when I was exposed to what's considered normal EMR levels from say a computer or something. Haven't felt head achy since. I don't know what it is exactly but it's some kind of junk that is not good and every time more is released I feel better and I can take more. My guess is that I got infected with something and over time it built up more and more eventually leading to this. The primary areas where I feel that sensation when I get sick is around the deep nasal cavities in my face before anything else happens. The fact that only this Chlorella/Spirulina combo is removing it and how sensitive to everything I was seems to point in the direction to a heavy metal accumulation in there that other nasties were also attracted too. More interestingly now that feeling is not all over but only in random spots where it was completely and easily triggered having a circuit effect with itself. Whatever it is I'm sure now it was a sinus infection that progressed way too far.
Hey sourdo!!! Congratulations!!
You're lucky to be able to take both chlorella and spirulina.
Welcome to the club of super green lovers!
I also owe MUCH of my health to chlorella, that I kept thanking on and on again, since those first times I took it about 15 years ago...
If you'd like to try the super easy to take recipe called Heavy Metal Detox Smoothie, you'll may go even deeper into the brain and nerves.
You don't need to use orange juice, if it's too much work, just blend with water.
Ingredients: frozen wild blueberries, barley grass juice powder, red dulse, fresh cilantro, spirulina and banana.
the way heavy metals are taken from your brain and conducted off your body is explained in a video with Anthony William.
First times I took this, I REALLY felt something cleaning inside my brain and eyes!
I have no doubt that most of my symptoms came from heavy metal poisoning, that somehow poisoned my nerves and made them super sensitive.
Never stop taking these stuff. Another thing that cleans nicely too is MSM in powder. Cheap, easy to take, just bitter, but it also cleans lots of toxins rather fast.
Me too, I barely feel any EHS symptoms, which somehow I don't see as super positive. I know how damaging these frequencies felt, and now I feel nothing, so I even don't notice when I'm being irradiated....
As for viruses: I suspect streptococcus in your sinuses. Read Anthony William: he speaks exactly of a combo between EBV or other herpes viruses and streptococcus, the main co-factor of EBV, causing chronic fatigue, MS, high sensitivities, fibromyalgia etc.
The more toxic our bodies, the more infections, the more neuro toxins emitted by these viruses, the more sensitivities and symptoms.
These herpes viruses and streptococcus love milk products (that is why we consider milk products as causing inflammation), heavy metals and industrial toxins (such as pesticides, insecticides etc), they love antibiotics (because they are super resistant and antibiotics also weaken your immune system), they thrive on gluten (that's why gluten is now considered as causing gut inflammation and other types of inflammation), on corn, and other stuff...
Only avoiding the triggers can make a lot of changes in the body!
Everywhere heavy metals sit, you'll have chronic infections (or acute). They poison the nerves even more, poison the liver / gall bladder, and you get more sensitive...
Anthony says that ONLY when nastier infections such as EBV come in play, that we start developing sensitivity and extreme fatigue + fog issues.
Without the viral / pathogenic component, we would be still living with minor symptoms, even if poisoned by heavy metals.
These virus are extremely poisonous and doom the liver.
The liver is a central organ for the immune system, in fact.
Once the pathogens doom the liver, that's when bad chronic problems start to appear...
I hope you get better there in your sinuses too. I also have issues there, and when I take the HMDsmoothie above, I get pinching pains there, so I know it's working on that exact spot too!
Since I took the HMDS, I diminished the consumption of chlorella drastically, but increased the other stuff (ingredients from the smoothie).
Good luck on your continuation! I've been a chlorella fan for 15 years. I can never feel safe without a stock of chlorella home.
I'll give it a try soon, I'm sure I can take that at this point. Funny you mention the pinching pains in the liver/gall bladder area because right before I felt better that was one of the last things I felt along with almost the same sensation right at the tail end of my back where when I get exposed to more than I can handle hurts badly before going away, I knew it felt familiar. Which by the way I remember feeling worse with that sensation worsening whenever I would play games on my phone at the time. Or I was playing games on my computer when I all of a sudden I would get extremely depressed and mentally screwed up with the physical discomfort, I had EHS developing for a long time come to think of it. That takes me back and now I think you just made me recall the major event that may have started this madness in the first place which from there my health and mental health went down the toilet for years and simple health keeping even when I did have my own money and such wasn't solving it completely. At my old place there was this old nasty grill that was almost never cleaned well I was eating off of all the time, as time went on I keep getting more ill. Until eventually after one event I was in such pain, so bloated, and couldn't sleep that I went to the hospital where they apparently found nothing but some elevated liver enzymes that they didn't connect to anything even though something was obviously very wrong only taking a piece of my stomach to look at and putting a tube into my intestines. It was all in my liver, gall bladder, and head! I also had flashbacks to thisAt its worst when I seriously thought I was gonna die before I was put on a very plain diet and eventually got healthier converting to veganism I would go to bed and wake up with, take a wild guess. This horrible grinding feeling right where my gallbladder and liver was like it was squeezing down on a bunch of rocks. My home was also full of mold as I found when I left the place a few years ago too so this was probably a perfect storm for EHS.
Sourdo, you won't believe this:
EBV loves the liver (and spleen) because these are toxic places, full of toxins, plastics, heavy metals, pesticides etc.
Guess what Anthony says? EBV has its main head quarters in the liver, his favorite home.
When the immune system is low (due to bad diet, stress, electrosmog, mold, flu, hormonal changes, whatever...), EBV senses that and sends their troops to invade other areas of the body.
The most common place they go is lower spine! They can cause lower back pain or sciatic inflammation!!!
They also invade the thyroid to control body metabolism, to keep your body cold, to confuse the immune system, hormonal system....
Great you moved to vegan. I think since I started consuming more raw, almost no meat, low fat, my liver also says thanks.
But cutting the NO foods such as milk (including butter), corn, soya, eggs, gluten, and lowering grains is like starving EBV and strep... This also has been a great hint, as most vegans eat tons of soya, corn and gluten , and many eat high protein (hard to digest).
When the liver is in trouble, it can't produce high quality bile to digest fats and proteins. So the stomach has to work much harder to produce stronger hydrocloric acid to digest fats and proteins. After a while, its reserves go down too. That's how he explains the whole digestive problem that dooms our planet.
I don't know if you have hot flashes, but he says this has to do with a burdened liver. It sort of heats up, like a car engine that overworks. I see now the direct relation between eating animal proteins or fatty food and these hot flashes. They are totally gone, if I keep my special diet...
for you, it is easy to cut just a couple of things more, add potatoes and squash, Anthony says it's no problem (the problem with potatoes are non-organic ones and the toppings people put).
He said to try to avoid the bad mixture of sugar / carbs WITH fats / proteins. This mixture is the hardest to digest, few nutrients are absorbed when you mix both. And we mix them all the time (bread with butter, potato with olive oil, rice with proteins, etc).
You may eat both, but separate, in case you want to give a boost to your liver.
I'm sure you'll enjoy reading Liver Rescue from A William. He explains everything there very well!!
Yeah my symptoms I was having match up with multiple aspects of EBV very well, especially the swollen throat and lymph nodes in the neck. The throat problems were the worst, ruined my voice for the longest time. That's now completely gone. This all makes sense now when combined with constant mold exposure. I usually eat one power meal in the morning where I take a small white corn tortilla, top it with my own peanut butter (nothing added), layer it with cinnamon, cilantro, and chia seed. Then I top it with another white corn tortilla and bake it. Keeps me going all day. Sometimes I'll need a little carbs later or other veggies for a bigger dinner but that's not every day of the week. I keep things minimal. I don't have any issues with gluten besides that it makes me tired, so I have no allergy going on there. Also soy made it a million times worse when I was eating tofu so I cut that out a long time ago. Strangely soy beans I can eat though with no problem like edamame. No excess sugar here, that always made me feel terrible no matter what. Also cutting out coffee too by tapering off, it's not so bad since I'm also a kava drinker and it's really smoothing the process out. I've never had hot flashes though unless I ate a real disaster of a meal that I knew was overall bad for me anyways for example at a restaurant or something. Otherwise those hot flashes only came when I was exposed to EMR beyond what I could handle but it would start in the face and then I would get all twitchy and anxiety ridden where it all goes downhill from there.
I'm also wondering if different EMR frequencies can specifically do different things to it because different EMR from different sources always felt different to me. From a computer tower it would be like being slow cooked in a microwave but near a wifi router my vision would get messed up, I would get extremely stressed out, and I would get confused almost immediately. Also recently had to go into some video game store that was a real nightmare. I don't know what they were using in this place that was so bad but after a couple minutes I wanted to jump out of my skin but I wasn't having that hot flash feeling. I just couldn't relax and to put it in words it felt like someone had taken a chunk of my brain and hit the delete button. Then after that hot microwaved face and swollen neck issues appeared. Meanwhile the workers were just doing their thing feeling absolutely nothing, felt like I was a different species.
I don't know if this is true, but I'm just passing you the information from AW:
What feeds EBV and all herpes viruses + streptococcus (responsible for many problems such as throat, sinuses, urinary tract infections, genital organ infections, acne, etc)?
milk products (including butter, including goat / sheep milk products),
gluten (wheat, spelt, etc)
soya (also due to cross polination with GMO soya),
corn (same problem as above).
pesticides and herbicides
The only grains that do not feed EBV + herpes + strep:
Potatoes (all types) do not feed viruses, but are even anti viral.
Gluten makes tired because it is probably harder to digest and according to AW, EBV loves it.
That's another reason gluten is today seen as inflammatory: it's not the gluten that causes inflammation through allergic reaction ONLY, but INDIRECTLY through contributing to the development of viruses and streptococcus.
I'm experimenting to cut all these foods, just to see what happens to my body.
It's still early to say, but I have the impression my body feels much cleaner, all of a sudden.
Something definitively changed for my EHS. That was a clear change. So I'll continue on that diet to see what happens.
He said that the moment you eat more fruits and veggies, and let go a lot of protein and fat, you NATURALLY need more frequent meals. To stay many hours without eating on a high fruit, high raw, high veggie diet is unhealthy.
Same for me: the moment I add chia seeds, avocado, beans, and more grains, I can keep without food for many hours. If I add meat, I can skip a whole meal, just eat once a day, practically...
It may not be seen as good, necessarily. It could be just because oils are a big source of calories, but their nutritive content (from animal oil) is poor. So it's not a win situation always. I'd rather feel hungry more often, but eat high nutrition like fruits and veggies... It's not easy though, specially transitioning....
And I second what you said about different types of EMR creating different symptoms.
The Audi of my husband makes me tired, so I have trouble to keep my eyes open in a ride longer than 20 minutes!
The home wifi makes me feel cold, anxious, insomnia...
Some cell phone towers + wifi can cause me stinging acute headaches, make me go fight and flight, same as what goes on in Swiss trains.
But I tell you - I'm getting less and less sensitive... I guess the worst is when I can't sleep due to wifi in hotels.
I do understand that feeling like a different species. But it's exactly like what goes on when food allergies show up. At a certain point, I started to fear for my life: if I became allergic to everything?
I guess A William is right in one point: once nerves start to become too sensitive, you start reacting like hell to things you never reacted before, be it radiation or food.
the sad part is that only a small exposure to that same radiation or same food will trigger the 'allergic' reaction or hypersensitivity.
I saw some videos of people who get allergic to their own HAIR (so they have to cut all the body hair off), or to smell of other people (like a lady allergic to her husband, to her own parents, to everyone else). These people go on anaphylactic shock if they get in contact with certain things (like hair or people's scent).
So they live in confinement.
They have no idea that they probably suffer from EHS too, poor guys.
Whatever, everything seems to be improving for me, so I'm sticking to my experiment! I can even eat kiwis now!!
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